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The dropping of basically everyone responsible for Win8 does give me hope for Win9, but we'll have to see how that all plays out - is Microsoft really willing to own up to the fact that they willfully made a colossal mistake, and go back to the drawing board?
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2014, 12:23:24 AM »
Touch on the desktop is a fool's errand anyway, because it is just plain uncomfortable to hold your arm up and interact with something in front of your face for extended periods of time.
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2014, 07:21:02 PM »
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The graph looks quite different if you add Windows 8 & 8.1 figures together, so you can tell he wasn't even trying to be objective about it.
Yes, the graph certainly would look different if no sales of 8.1 were from someone upgrading from the horror that was vanilla 8.
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2014, 06:05:59 PM »
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Don't tell the masses the truth, they hate that!  :)

Yes, you can turn Metro off entirely, people.  Easy peasy, a couple clicks.  I don't begrudge anyone disliking W8, but the witch hunt stuff is just hysterical.

YOU CAN OPT TO NEVER SEE "METRO" AT ALL AGAIN ONCE YOU DEFAULT TO DESKTOP MODE.  :)
That's bullshìt and you know it. You can turn off booting into Metro. That's all. You can't stop Metro from popping up when you hit the Windows key or get the Start menu back without a third-party hack - and even with a third-party hack, W8 only just approaches being as usable as 7. It's still got loads of issues - for instance, the fact that minimizing windows no longer sends them to the back of the Alt-Tab queue, so you can decide you're done with something for the moment and put it away only to then immediately switch back into it when you meant to go to something else. You end up having to bubble-sort your windows just to get them into the order that XP would've had them in all along.

Win8 is feces and everyone knows it except the True Faithful. You've lost, guys. Time to admit it.
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2014, 01:25:11 AM »
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Believe what you like, John.  I'm telling you I use W8 daily and I don't hit Metro at all, and it didn't take rocket science to set that up.  I use Windows 8 in entirely "desktop" mode.

However, if you buy a new PC with 8 installed, you can indeed run it in a desktop UI form and never see the tablet style UI.  You can, John, lol.  I do it every single day, as do many, many others.  This is not pulling rabbits out of hats, it's a simple config option in 8.1 u1.
Smarmily condescend all you want, but the fact is that it will throw you right back to the Start screen any time you try to pull up a menu of your applications unless you employ a third-party hack. If you use vanilla 8.1 and you don't ever see the Start screen, then, well, whatever. Guess an obsessive dependence on taskbar pinning got you something. But for those of us who actually want to be able to pull up a menu of the applications installed on the computer without having to wade through a tablet-oriented wasteland of giant tiles, that's not an option.

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In my view it comes down to two simple questions.
1. Are you a person that does the same things the same way all the time.
2. Are you a person that wants to learn new ways of doing things for the better.

The last question is predicated on the ideal that there may be a better  way of doing things. When you approach it with a closed mind of course  there's no way it could ever be true.
Or, alternately, you could approach it rationally and simple come to the conclusion that it's terrible because it is, in fact, terrible. But no, that can't be it, obviously it must be that everyone who looked at Windows 8 and said "that's stupid!" is just a Backwards Neanderthal Who Hates Change! How can we help but sneer at them for being so backward as to not unequivocally approve of any new design simply for being new without regard for whether it's actually any good or not?!
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2014, 02:50:48 AM »
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I tend to agree with part of your comment.  It's people that "looked at it" that don't like it. Not the one's using it.
Speaking as someone who's had to put up with using it on his work computer for months, you're full of it.
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2014, 06:41:10 AM »
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I think people just look for any reason to hate m$ft.
Because it couldn't be that we actually have honest negative opinions about something, no sir...
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2014, 11:04:12 PM »
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I have never noticed that has changed, did you or did you read that online?
Direct personal experience on account of, as I've repeatedly said, having to put up with this crap on my work computer. But hey, you just keep insisting that I haven't tried it.

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When I'm done with software I just close it, because it makes me more productive as I'm not having to think about what order my alt-tab queue is in.
Well whoop-de-friggin'-doo for you. I'll definitely get right on adjusting my entire workflow to fit what you think is best.
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2014, 03:27:42 AM »
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I don't care if you change it. I don't care if you use Windows 98. You're a baked cake, you don't want to learn anything. All I can hope is that you don't teach others bad habits.
I like how thinking that this particular design is terrible garbage equals "not wanting to learn anything."
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