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Re: They're killing the PC...
« on: November 17, 2013, 02:48:04 AM »
Quote from: Iggy;752865
And Cloud based computing looks like a great idea until you look at a map of the cell coverage of the Western half of the United States.

Once you realize that this concept leaves you reliant on third party services, it becomes less attractive.
Western half, hell, the entire country except for the coastal regions is spotty or nonexistent outside of major population centers, and that's even before you factor in weather issues.

Anyway, I'd say give it time. Time was that it looked like hobbyist electronics and other tinkerer hobbies were all but dead, but in the last ten years we've seen an enormous resurgence in the form of the "makers movement" and associated stuff. And half of that is kids/teens who grew up with Playstations and never even touched an electronics-lab set in their formative years, discovering possibilities they never knew existed. I would consider that to be evidence that the creative/doing urge can't be so easily purged from human nature, no matter how the industry tries. PCs will still be around for "doers" to rediscover when tablets have given way to whatever the next Future Of All Computing Forever is.
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Re: They're killing the PC...
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2013, 04:22:10 AM »
Quote from: Iggy;752874
I like that turn of phrase, John.
"next Future Of All Computing..", Ha! That IS good.
You know, I'd almost forgotten how often I'd heard that in the past (now where is that damned PDA?)
I think you left it with your "Internet Appliance..." ;D
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Re: They're killing the PC...
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2013, 08:34:07 PM »
Quote from: slaapliedje;752899
Another interesting fact for all these "Sales are way down!" comments.  Most people have a PC that are interested in having one.
Which tablet advocates willfully ignore or insist doesn't count because...because reasons, I guess.
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Re: They're killing the PC...
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2013, 05:24:10 PM »
Quote from: bloodline;753029
I might suggest that those who are unable to figure out how to establish a new work flow using a tablet are nothing more than ageing dinosaurs destined to die out, while the others around them adapt and reap the rewards... But I won't ;)
I might suggest that some of us are capable of adapting but would first have to see any sign of these implied "rewards" for going to the time and effort of adapting to a device only slightly more portable than a small laptop, which requires an outboard keyboard and attachment case for convenient text entry, has only a low-precision pointing device, is constrained to only use vendor-approved software unless hacked, and cannot be upgraded at all, and I also might suggest that the implied existence of such rewards is merely post-purchase rationalization on the part of persons who want to think themselves futurey as defined by Wired.

So I will.
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Re: They're killing the PC...
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2013, 07:26:23 PM »
That's exactly what they want. Computer-as-disposable-appliance is what this has been about from day one.
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Re: They're killing the PC...
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2013, 10:55:05 PM »
Dude, you were just telling us that we're dinosaurs who can't adapt. You don't get to play the "I'm not evangelizing!" card now.
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Re: They're killing the PC...
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2013, 11:37:16 PM »
Quote from: bloodline;753119
The people who refuse to accept that technology has moved on are dinosaurs...
Why? Because some random yahoo says so? Who is this ultimate Arbiter of Technology? How did they come by their authority? What are their qualifications?
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Re: They're killing the PC...
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2013, 11:40:01 PM »
Quote from: ElPolloDiabl;753121
There is either an on screen keyboard or you can attach one. A little slower, but functional. Just a matter of preference.
Functional, yes. Convenient, no. Touchscreen keyboards are ass compared to real keyboards - even the good touchscreen keyboards. And plug-in/Bluetooth keyboards for tablets may work, but then you have to get a folding case to hold the tablet in a workable position, at which point it's basically a [strike]poor[/strike] foolish man's laptop.
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Re: They're killing the PC...
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 12:12:29 AM »
Quote from: Marmes;753131
That's evolution.
You will only do what big industry names say you should do. Can't you see that you now have a lot of choices? People that use keyboards or mouses are not dinossaurs, nor people that use touchscreen devices are up to date. That's what marketing in big industries want you to think. Marketing is here to make you think if you don't have their products or use their latest technology, you are obsolete and you will get behind or disapear.
You said it, man.

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While we are talking about trackballs can someone  tell me why they never took off? I have been using a logitech trackman  for at least 6-7 years and think they are the best invention ever! How  someone prefer a mouse over a trackball i just don't know.
I prefer a mouse for desktop use, but the trackball was far and away the best solution for a laptop pointing device. I think they lost out because everybody fetishizes thinness so much, but man, I'd totally buy a 3"-thick laptop if it just had a trackball in it.
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