Amiga.org Electrified.

[commodorejohn]

Putting aside all other issues with electric cars, even if other Aorg members give a crap, there just isn't a subforum's worth of stuff to say about them. If you want to talk about them, just start a dang thread.

[commodorejohn]

And? That doesn't mean anybody cares about it, or that there's anything worth saying about it beyond that.

Just leave off the delusions of grandeur and start a dang thread like the rest of us mere mortals.

[commodorejohn]

But Amiga.org has had a Coffee House sub-forum for ages. I have no interest in Coffee House Politics for example but I keep it around because members have been using it for years. If I had been around since the inception of Amiga.org sub-forums like politics would have never been created. They have nothing to do with Amiga computers.

The difference is there's actually a subforum's worth of stuff to say about politics.

Electric cars on the other-hand because of being technologically ahead of their time and against the status quo get as much hate and FUD thrown at them as the Amiga had/has. Great tech thats misunderstood, sound familiar?

Even if we were to accept this assessment at face value (which I don't,) I could make the same argument about, say, LaserDisc, or the Dreamcast, or any number of other things. Do those deserve their own subforums here?

Just start a freaking topic if you want to talk about them. There is absolutely zero point to creating a subforum unless you're trying to change the entire direction of the site.

Electricity comes from unicorn farts.

This  is archaic thinking, man. Everyone knows that the new research into  leprechaun wishes is the real future of energy in this country.

[commodorejohn]

This is just silly..
If the SysAdmin wants a forum for Electric Cars, he can have one...

It's not like anyone is forcing anyone else to read the messages....
I never go to the Coffee House.  I know it's there, could care less, and yet it's being there doesn't negatively effect me in the slightest...

I disagree. The problem is that this is just another instance in a long line of instances of SysAdmin thinking that this site exists just to give him a preexisting audience for whatever he really wants it to be this month, like when he was stirring up the CUSA flamewars in a transparent attempt to drive site traffic, or shilling for shítty headphones. News flash, SysAdmin: Aorg is not about you. I don't want to sound like a total ingrate, but face the facts: it's just not. If you try to make it be about you, you're just going to drive away the people who want a forum about the Amiga, like so many people have been driven away already.

[commodorejohn]

News-brief Tedd's gave the site to me and has been gone for a while. I was never a fan of CUSA and was against Tedd promoting them on the site, giving Barry interviews Etc. I was always against CUSA's strategy of trying to sell the Amiga community overpriced Linux boxes we never asked for. Tedd gave them a little more leeway but I think he was proven wrong in the end.

Well, that's good to hear (though it would clear up some of the confusion if there weren't one unified "SysAdmin" account so people have to keep track of who's running things to keep this all straight.) Nevertheless, my point stands: Aorg is about what Aorg has always been about, the Amiga. Trying to change or dilute the focus of that (particularly in a way that nobody here cares about - if people on this forum cared about electric cars, why are there no topics about them in the Coffee House already? What's a subforum going to do for that?) is just going to drive more people away.

[commodorejohn]

A EV car uses less eletric to charge up than an air conditioner.

As in, it draws less power when charging than an air conditioner? It looks (if I'm reading this right) like that's marginally true for central AC (3300Kw/h for the Leaf versus ~3500Kw/h for the AC, about a 6% difference) but not remotely for a window unit (~1800Kw/h, 54% of the Leaf's power draw.) But the way I hear it, it takes a Leaf about eight hours to charge (from a dedicated charging station - more like 15-20 if you don't happen to have one of those handy and have to use a normal electrical outlet!) and it gets ~75-100 mi. per charge. Average miles per year for most drivers is about 15,000, so that's 150-200 charges, or 1200-1600 hours of charging per year. Whereas depending on the part of the country, AC is going to be running about 8-10 hours a day for about 1/4-2/5 of the year, or anywhere from 730-1461 hours per year, at no more than 6% greater power consumption and possibly little more than half.

Yeah, that definitely looks like a lower impact!

[commodorejohn]

Nobody's being forced to replace their car with an EV car, but a lot of people sure are getting told how unqualifiedly awesome* and Totally The Future Of Driving** they are by EV car advocates...

* (as long as you have a good charging infrastructure everywhere you'll be driving, don't mind decreased driving range when using your climate controls, and have a contingency plan for running out of juice)
** (in <100 mi. hops, with hours of downtime in between)

[commodorejohn]

The difference is that running out of gas you can catch a ride to the station and take a few gallons in a can - you can't just go and buy another of the monster seat-sized batteries the Leaf uses off the shelf!

[commodorejohn]

Wow, what an active discussion..
Someone should consider a separate forum section for these Electric Car threads here on Amiga.org....

Compare this to the quantity of CUSA discussion and then see if there was a subforum made for that ;P