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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« on: January 28, 2013, 03:07:42 AM »
What would really be useful in a 68k browser is a Javascript whitelist feature such as NoScript provides for Firefox. An improved JS engine would be nice, but ultimately there's just too much JS bloat on modern websites; even modern systems get dragged down by it. A whitelist would at least help to contain the insanity; as is, I spend more time in iBrowse waiting for scripts to time out than I do actually looking at webpages.
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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 06:56:10 PM »
Quote from: AmigaClassicRule;724434
What if Amiga classic systems say have the latest custom chipset (instead of AGA) with 512 Mb of CHIP RAM and say running at a good high end speed, made by Commodore itself, a real Commodore Amiga in every since of way with a sexy famous Commodore Amiga keyboard case and even have RF, Composite, etc...and it can handle the latest browsers with all their "bloating" just fine....beyond find. Would you still believe in your sentence above? Would you still hate flash, javascript, asp.net, etc?
Considering that I keep them turned off even on a Core 2 Duo system running at 1.66GHz wit 2GB of RAM, yes, yes I would still hate them. Flash and Javascript have their uses, but the abuse of them is so utterly rampant that it's really easier to do without unless a site specifically requires them to function at all (and in that case, it's usually easier to just avoid the site if possible.)
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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 09:16:03 PM »
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People need new technology and features in their website, business demand them to make things look professional and easier to develop.
But that's not the problem here. The problem isn't the things that Javascript is needed for, the problem is all the places it isn't necessary but gets used anyway. Modern web developers are so stuck on fetishizing glitz and flashy animation and such that they don't ever stop to think about whether it's necessary, and it usually isn't, or whether it impairs usability, which it often does, or whether there's a simpler alternative, which there usually is. (If I had a dollar for every time I've seen JS drop-down menus when CSS has been able to do that since forever, I'd be a significantly richer man.)

(The further irony is that all this often actually looks uglier, in a trashy disco drag-queen kind of way, than the simpler alternatives.)

Hell, we're even getting to the point where it's common practice to reimplement basic browser functionality like links and the back button in Javascript, often in ways that break the real in-browser implementation. That is Bad And Wrong. This is not a problem of old technology not keeping up with the requirements of real improvements in web design, it's a problem of bad design becoming the rule on the web.
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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2013, 01:04:39 AM »
Ooh, I'll give it a shot. Where do I download and what additional stuff do I need?
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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 07:11:33 PM »
Quote from: NovaCoder;736044
Have a read of the EAB link I posted above, all will be revealed ;)
Ah. Well, if it won't run on an 030 I'm out of luck :/
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