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Re: ARM leaps forward!
« on: October 31, 2012, 05:11:05 PM »
Acorn fans are, I expect, feeling slightly vindicated now.

Now if they'll only start putting any of this tech in useful form-factors such as laptops...Chromebook's a start, I guess, if you're not bound to run Google CollectAllYourDataOS on it.
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Re: ARM leaps forward!
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2012, 12:05:48 AM »
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Freescale, on the other hand, has falling revenue and is bleeding money. It's only a matter of time before they switch to supporting just one viable architecture and it's no brainer that PPC is not it.
PPC has been Doomed Forever since 2005, hasn't disappeared yet.
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Re: ARM leaps forward!
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2012, 12:38:34 AM »
If it leads to other companies offering all this swanky new ARM tech in useful form factors (laptops and desktops) I'm all for it. If it just means they're looking at merging their tablet and desktop/laptop lines, meh. One Windows 8 was way the hell more than enough.
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Re: ARM leaps forward!
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2012, 01:22:12 AM »
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While I think there will be desktops and (particularly) laptops for some time still in the future, there is a shift going on where both the importance and impact of "traditional" computers like these declines. It has been going on for quite some time now (all statistics proves this, but you don't have to read boring statistics, it's enough to observe your surroundings for one day, and you'll see what I mean), and it will accelerate in a close future, that's a safe bet. And this no matter the underlying architecture. The user pattern changes, as simple as that.
Lord, here we go again...first off, "observing [my] surroundings" paints a very different picture than "all statistics." I know (and see in the general public) at least as many people who use laptops primarily as use tablets, and I know many more people who are primarily desktop users. I don't know a single person who is exclusively a tablet user, but I know a lot of people who use "traditional" computers but don't have a tablet (myself included.) So if we're going simply off of personally observed reality, as you suggest, I'd have to say that "all statistics" are fairly bunk.

Even giving them the benefit of the doubt, my experiences suggest that the often-quoted trends don't tell close to the whole story. Certainly tablet sales have boomed in the past couple years, but I suspect that's as much because the past couple years is how long it's been since tablets started being not total crap and had the full force of the Apple marketing machine to make them look cool. And laptop and desktop sales have declined. But that doesn't say anything about actual day-to-day use patterns.

I have laptops that are five to ten years old that work like new, and that are perfectly usable for daily basic-use stuff like web browsing and email, not to mention the wide assortment of other software they can run perfectly well. Desktops, even moreso. So the simple fact that people aren't buying as many laptops and desktops as they used to doesn't really say anything about how many people are using them (particularly when you consider that desktops reached a pretty fair saturation point for basic use somewhere in the mid-Core 2 era.)

And I don't think it's anything like a "safe bet" that tablet growth is just going to continue to accelerate forever and ever. Tablets are in a boom phase right now; it started when the iPad made them suddenly cool, and it's been fed by the fact that damn near every manufacturer in the industry has been trying to get in on the Hot New Thing. But every boom eventually goes bust, or sometimes just settles down quietly. When the novelty rush wears off, tablet sales will stabilize at a level the market can actually support, long-term. I don't know where that will be, but I know quite certainly that it won't continue indefinitely at the growth rate it's seen over the two and a half years since the iPad's release, much less accelerate, because if it does it will outpace global population growth. That is quite simply not going to happen.

Use patterns change, but only to the extent that users let them. In the end, people will settle on the solutions that are best for them, whether or not that's what tablet evangelists want to see.
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Re: ARM leaps forward!
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 02:20:09 AM »
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And to be honest, I don't care what kind of CPU it has as long as its powerful enough for my day to day uses.
Well, personally I would like to see some more variety in computer hardware again. I've just been perpetually frustrated by the fact that all these manufacturers are rolling out progressively sweeter ARM hardware and refusing to do anything with it besides tablets and smartphones...

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What would be the point?
The same could be asked about why they maintained x86 builds of OSX before they even had any plans to switch to Intel. Not every internal project at a company is directly tied to current business prospects.
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Re: ARM leaps forward!
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 06:13:13 PM »
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I think it was always the plan, in the meantime it served as a stick to beat Motorola/IBM with.
That really doesn't make a lot of sense, considering how many years they spent on PowerPC and how much they loved to place themselves in opposition to Intel. I seriously doubt that twelve years of PowerPC was just a phase they were going through while they plotted how best to dump the technology they'd invested all that time and money in.

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Steve Jobs planned and wanted for Apple to  switch to Intel x86 as early as late 90s. He was personally very  dissatisfied with Motorola and their PPC chips and since Motorola also  lost a lot of money when Jobs killed the clone market, there was no love  between the two.
Got a reference for that? Granted Jobs was a capricious whacko when it came to picking directions for the company, I wouldn't be surprised if he just up and decided that he wanted to change architectures, but the period from the late '90s to the laying to rest of PPC Macs in 2006 spanned a whole three new generations of PowerPC Macs (G3, G4, and G5,) all of which were touted as the best thing since sliced bread and way cooler than pokey old x86. These claims that Apple was secretly planning to get all buddy-buddy with Intel even while they were roundly abusing them in the press really just don't seem to fit.
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Re: ARM leaps forward!
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 06:27:44 PM »
Got a reference that doesn't require I buy a book I'm not really interested in reading?
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