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Re: Is more MHZ better Or?
« on: October 19, 2012, 05:13:39 AM »
All other things being equal, more megahertz is faster. Problem is, how much faster isn't exactly a linear function of clock speed. The system can burn through instructions on a 50MHz 030 42% faster than it can on a 35MHz 030, yes, but the instructions and their associated data have to get to the CPU first. Unfortunately, most Amiga accelerators were built at a time when main memory just couldn't keep up with even 35MHz, let alone 50MHz (at least not cost-effectively,) so the CPU can be kept waiting for memory to respond, and since the memory speed is relatively constant for that era, the number of cycles it wastes spinning its wheels actually increases as the clock speed goes up.

There are mitigating factors, thankfully - the 68k architecture has always tended towards longer cycle-counts for instructions anyway, so even a fast CPU isn't always going to be running up against the memory bottleneck for every instruction (especially not math-heavy stuff.) And the 030 does include a little bit of high-speed cache memory (holds frequently-accessed instructions & data, and serves as a buffer between a fast CPU and slow memory.) Still, the 030's cache is small, and very few Amiga accelerators include any additional cache, so it only helps somewhat. (This is part of why an 040 can make such a big difference, it has much more cache memory.)
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Re: Is more MHZ better Or?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 06:05:20 AM »
Quote from: lassie;711967
I can see you have a 030 with 50 mhz :) Have you tried the first Doom on yours? and if so how fast was it
I haven't, at least not yet.
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Re: Is more MHZ better Or?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 09:42:05 AM »
Quote from: ElPolloDiabl;711982
The cache memory does make a big difference. I once turned off the Level 1 cache on a Pentium 200mhz and everything just slowed to a crawl.

If you turn off the cache on an 040, there is a slow down, but most things still run normal.
That's what amazes me, looking back at the mid-'90s - 200MHz clock speeds, and everybody was still using RAM that wasn't fast enough for 33MHz CPUs...yikes.
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Re: Is more MHZ better Or?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2012, 06:55:40 PM »
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You say that like it's a thing of the past! Memory still can't keep up with the CPU.
Oh, quite true. But not by quite so wide a margin, these days...
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Re: Is more MHZ better Or?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2013, 07:26:14 PM »
Hah! Where do I get some of that for my Amiga?
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