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Re: If you owned the Amiga trademark, what would you do?
« on: January 05, 2012, 04:33:28 PM »
I would set up a fund to keep it registered and defended in perpetuity, and prevent anybody else from using it ever again, to end the whole stupid issue once and for all, and let would-be successors fend for themselves off their merits rather than their ability to fork out cash to Bill McEwen.
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Re: If you owned the Amiga trademark, what would you do?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2012, 05:32:34 PM »
Quote from: dougal;674475
Can address DDR2/3 Ram as fast ram with sockets
Really? Even DDR1 would be a massive waste of bandwidth on an 040/060 system, and none of them would be much cheaper for practical Amiga capacities than used PCxxx SDRAM.

(Though DDR1 would at least be useful for a G4 upgrade.)
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Re: If you owned the Amiga trademark, what would you do?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 05:16:46 PM »
I would port it to DEC Alpha and focus on that, to spite all parties in the CPU debate.
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Re: If you owned the Amiga trademark, what would you do?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 06:59:18 PM »
Quote from: Kalvan;674650
Three problems with that:
 
1. Amiga OS 3.x is written primarily in 68k assembler, and needs the custom chips. Plus, the FORBID call rearing its ugly head.
 
2. Amiga OS 4.x and on will be controlled by Hyperion, who will never let anyone port it to anything else.
 
3. The only people using using Alpha nowadays are the Chinese, and if they won't license the Loongson 3 series (Which was designed as a desktop chip to begin with) to outsiders on smaller nodes on fabs outside of China, what makes you think they will license their HPC pride and joy?
 
And that's only the technical problems. There's still all the expense of actually designing the motherboard and tooling up.
(That was sarcasm.)
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Re: If you owned the Amiga trademark, what would you do?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 01:49:27 AM »
Quote from: djrikki;674658
For starters some internet changes would be required, I'd buy A.org and have it redirect to AmigaOS.net and build a forum there where people could safely discuss Amiga NG.  There would be no 'retro threads nor 'other OSes' threads, any detrimental talk about any other AmigaOS-like operating system or even the classic range would be deleted without warning by my moderation team.  Amigaworld.net would cater for all that 'Noise'.
See, I initially read this as suggesting that pointless flameage against any NG Amiga-like OS would be considered "detrimental" and deleted (in other words, a sort of neutral-zone community accord-building environment,) and my brain didn't even process the rest of the post. It wasn't until I read other people's reactions that I went back and reassessed, because it had not even occurred to me that someone could be this narrow-minded, that they were suggesting the exact opposite of that, that they thought any talk at all about any non-OS4 option was "detrimental," much less that talk about real, honest-to-God Amigas that simply aren't OS4 should be banned as well.

Congratulations, drjikki, you totally proved me wrong.

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Whilst this 'cleansing' is taking place I'd then meet Ben Hermans and discuss how the remaining capital could be best invested to not only sustain, but improve OS development.
You could suggest to him porting to hardware that's readily and cheaply available. You know, like PPC Macs.
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Re: If you owned the Amiga trademark, what would you do?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 02:44:36 AM »
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what i love the most:
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Whilst this 'cleansing' is taking place...

he really means it spelled like that?? doesnt he? i dont think i need to say what it reminds me of, because he just says it all?
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Re: If you owned the Amiga trademark, what would you do?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 06:35:31 PM »
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That was a joke, wasn't it?
Yes. Yes, that was a joke.

Quote from: djrikki;674777
You wouldn't expect to visit the Apple forums  today and find people talking about OS 8 every other post so why should  the AmigaOS community be subjected to people continually looking  backwards and not forwards.
I would. Classic Mac OS is the only real Mac OS, in my opinion. And if you think OS4 is "looking forwards" and the other NG options aren't, you're even more willfully-blind than I'dve thought.
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