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Re: I think.........
« Reply #14 from previous page: December 08, 2011, 03:19:43 AM »
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Call it daft
Okay: it's daft. Tablets are a marketing-department fad toy, designed to make futurists think they're living in the future and nerds think they're living in Star Trek: The Next Generation. They're a shoddy compromise between the smartphone and the laptop that inherits the disadvantages of both and the advantages of neither. Feh.
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Re: I think.........
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2011, 04:04:37 AM »
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Now this is where I would have to disagree with you. When tablets first came out I would have agreed that they were gimicky and appealed to the "Oh look how futuristic I look" geeks. They were clunky, awkward to use and weren't all that powerful. Now though, as both the technology and software behind them is starting mature they are having more of an impact. I know they wouldn't replace a full desktop computer. But I can see their appeal growing more and more.
Nope. They've improved, but considering the stunted baseline they started from, that's not saying much. You can pile on the improvements as much as you like, but they're still going to be a laptop someone's chopped the keyboard off of.
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Re: I think.........
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2011, 06:50:29 AM »
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Despite what you guys may say that it's 'just a PC', that's really the new Amiga that I'm waiting for....
Why wait? If that's all it takes to be "Amiga" to you, you can have it right now!
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Re: I think.........
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2011, 05:23:06 PM »
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So you see, the unique advanced architecture is really what made it possible. Now I totally understand when people say this can't happen again because we are pretty much there these days (Windows crashes less, makes a good attempt to multitask even if it is horribly inefficient and even Ubuntu is media rich out of the box...a FREE OS) and so that only leaves price and games playing ability.
I don't think so. A good design (even if it's a dated good design) is a hell of a lot more interesting of a thing to retain and revive than trying to recapture this or that place in the market. Marketing and its tactics leech the life and the interestingness out of anything as a matter of course, so that actual unique features and quirks can't get in the way of The Plan. You try and revive the Amiga by recapturing its position in the market, all you're going to do is turn it into definitionless mush.

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The CPU is not that important if your machine's performance is derived from custom silicon rich motherboard.
As a programmer, yes it is. I like having a system on which I can easily do assembler, and I like 68k assembler best. The CPU is the lynchpin of any computer design, even a coprocessor-oriented one like the Amiga; it definitely matters.
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Re: I think.........
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2011, 07:10:56 PM »
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With that said, the "640k only" thing is a myth.  You can (and people did) have more memory than that on the PC.
This is true, but it's only anywhere even approaching convenient on a 386 in protected mode; 8086 is limited to 1MB total address space (and hence, on the PC, 640KB conventional memory,) and nobody even bothered with the 286's protected mode. You could get more with EMS, but that's nowhere near as convenient as an actual expansion of address space.
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Re: I think.........
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2011, 09:51:25 PM »
Heh, that would be something :lol:
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Re: I think.........
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2011, 11:16:53 PM »
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And since, AFAIK, there are no chipsets that allow 386 or 486 processors to access modern RAM, a 4GB 386 or 486 combination is virtually impossible (as well as being pointless and extremely silly).
You say that like it makes it not awesome.
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Re: I think.........
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2011, 04:38:35 PM »
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Seems like Leo is trying to reach out to the communities... Wonder why it hasn't turned up on here but oh well time for some linkies
 
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34729&forum=17
Now they try to extend the olive branch? That would've been a good thing to try...oh, two years ago?

I do love that the first response is Franko chiming in with an entirely appropriate and civil answer ;)
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