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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« on: August 12, 2011, 02:04:17 PM »
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MorphOS runs on limited variety of Mac models that are extremely hard to find today. The Macs models that MorphOS can run on today are slow and obsolete by current computing standards as well.
Hard to find? Where the are you looking? I'll give you a hint, GainSaver has a later-model Power Mac G4 for $40 after rebates.

As for "obsolete," certainly no more so than the SAM boards, and the jury's still out on whether the X1000 will outperform the Power Mac G5 (which can be had for as low as $25...)

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I am getting so sick of the Hyperion bashing some people blurt out on every thread they can. If you keep bitching at those that are trying you'll end up with no one doing anything for the Amiga at all.... geeesh.
People have been looking for something like this for years, don't see how blatantly ignoring the interests of the potential users counts as "trying..."

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x64 is the only platform for the future. That is why the Amiga is dying out. People with their heads in the ppc cloud. Times change. I was the biggest fan of ppc but it's dead. It's an ex parrot. Get over it and wise up. And don't start going on about aros ffs its not the same. Its useless. Of course I realise Amiga will never go x64 because that would make too much sense.
Let's see...my Power Mac G5 still exists, still runs like new, and is fairly competitive performance-wise with an average Core 2 Duo system, was available affordably from a refurb retailer in quantity, to say nothing of less-powerful cheaper models, and the PPC architecture remains in use in all three current-gen consoles and at least one next-gen console...yeah, I can see how that's dead.

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PPC is dead? Someone best tell Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo so they can use something else in their games consoles. Or doesn't that count?
It doesn't count because it doesn't support his argument ;D
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2011, 02:08:37 PM »
Quote from: Tension;654196
x64 is the only platform for the future. That is why the Amiga is dying out. People with their heads in the ppc cloud. Times change. I was the biggest fan of ppc but it's dead. It's an ex parrot. Get over it and wise up.  And don't start going on about aros ffs its not the same. Its useless.  Of course I realise Amiga will never go x64 because that would make too much sense.
Let's see...my Power Mac G5 still exists, still runs like new, and is fairly competitive performance-wise with an average Core 2 Duo system, was available affordably from a refurb retailer in quantity, to say nothing of less-powerful cheaper models, and the PPC architecture remains in use in all three current-gen consoles and at least one next-gen console...yeah, I can see how that's dead.

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PPC is dead? Someone best tell Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo so they can use something else in their games consoles. Or doesn't that count?
It doesn't count because it doesn't support his argument ;D
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2011, 02:18:52 PM »
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drHirudo lives in Bulgaria. Hope that explains things.
Okay, that clears things up a bit. I'm still a little surprised they would be that hard to come by, but huh.
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2011, 03:09:07 PM »
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I finally understood the AOS 4 point.
They think that Amiga OS must run on original HW designed for it. That's what made Amiga what it was back in the late 80's.
It might be a "sacrilege" running Amiga OS on an "OLD" hardware. Even if the newly designed HW is less powerful and cost 3x times a dual liquid-cooled G5 Power Mac.
3x, hell! I got my G5 Quad for about 1/4 the supposed asking price, before the rebate.
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2011, 04:17:25 PM »
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Which returns us to my initial point that MOS runs on limited range of Macs.

Kind regards.
Given that the Mac has used three different architectures and three different ROM formats in four total combinations, only one of which MorphOS supports, that'd kind of have to be true. But I don't think anybody was hoping to run it on a 68020 Macintosh II, do you?
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2011, 04:57:45 PM »
Quote from: Tension;654266
To those idiots who say 'PowerPC isn't dead cos sony and nintendo and cisco use them' etc etc,  just listen so the idiotspeak you are speaking and stop being idiots. There will never be a mainstream PowerPC personal computer again. EVER. Too much water under the bridge now.
And how do you know that, exactly? Or is it just "because I said so, so there times inifinity plus one! Nyah!"?

And who was talking about a mainstream computer anyway? The Amiga community is about as far out of the mainstream as you can get and not be Forth.

Quote from: drHirudo;654269
Only 30 from over 120 PPC models is less than 25% of the models. If we count by numbers of machines sold of each model the percentage may turn to be even lower.

On the other hand AmigaOS 4 runs on 100% of the AmigaOne hardware and  does not need hardware modifications, like some of the "supported" Macs  do.
Less than 25% of 120 models versus 100% of four? (Or eight, if we count the non-AmigaOne machines.) Yeah, wow, I can see how much better 8 machines supported is than 30 machines supported.

(And as Piru says, that's by choice - if Hyperion wanted, they could expand back into the New World G3 Macs if they so desired and thus support an even broader range of hardware than MOS. But they won't.)
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2011, 05:29:38 AM »
Quote from: drHirudo;654372
HI does not matter much in which of these countries, because in any of them you will have a hard time getting fully working Mac for MOS except may be in Poland.
Really that hard to come by, huh? Still, I'd think that even shipping a big-box Power Mac internationally would be cheaper than $2300 USD...
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