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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2011, 01:50:08 AM »
Well, who's to say that's a real picture? Given how the other factory photos turned out...
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2011, 02:12:43 AM »
Yeah, OEM BIOS screens have been near-omnipresent since about 2005, really. It'd be one thing if the demoed machine has just been switched to verbose mode (I do this on all my computers, but then I'm weird like that,) but if they actually didn't even bother...that's just pretty lazy.
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2011, 02:41:51 AM »
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Even earlier than that. I had a packard bell from 93 that had a modified BIOS screen.
Well, yeah, but as far as I saw they didn't start doing the full-screen bitmaps until some time later (probably didn't want to shell out for the ROM space or something...)
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Yeah that would have been a little bit of polish. Still not enough to make me want to ever buy one. But just a little bit of polish.
And that's the weird part - polish (or at least the perception thereof) has been pretty much their entire marketing strategy - "buy it, it's got a nice reproduction case and a nice keyboard!" Quite an oversight, considering...
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2011, 04:21:56 AM »
Quote from: fishy_fiz;649302
Slightly off topic, but my old amithlon box had the option to change boot pic/splash screen/whatever you want to call it. Was quite cool. I took a picture of my desktop (minus Amidock and icons) and used that. Would get a pic of my system as soon as I turned on the pc and 10-15 seconds later the icons, mouse and dock would appear, indicating the system was ready to go  :)
Heh, nice :D
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2011, 04:06:38 AM »
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The overheating issue is should be looked at properly. several people have voiced their concern over the venting placements. Only for good ol Bazza to launch into replay with

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/4928-fan-and-different-function-keys?limit=15&start=15&lang=en#5957
Legitimate concerns met by condescending verbal abuse from the head man himself? That's our Barry! No wonder this thing is such a resounding success!
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2011, 05:41:05 PM »
Quote from: mingle;649472
Message to you guys: We heard you the first time, so FFS, give it a rest...
When there are no more active CUSA threads here, I will stop stating my opinion of CUSA. It's a fairly simple proposition.
Quote from: Hammer;649479
You can buy C64x case without the CUSA's x86 motherboard solution.
Or you can pay $0-10 for a dead C64 and $45 for a Keyrah and spend the extra $190 on something nice.
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2011, 05:20:44 AM »
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For the vast majority of computer users, this is not a viable solution.  The fabrication skills needed to convert a stock C64 case into a case capable of holding a mini-ITX board is considerable...and it will never be as elegant of a solution. Of course, you know that and are just being contrary and argumentative.  This argument alone shows what the Amiga community has become.  At one time, elegance was appreciated - now a hacked together solution outside of the capability of 95% of all users is proposed as a good alternative.
Yes, it is moderately complex to do it yourself. Yes, it's somewhat less than elegant. But it sure as hell isn't $190 worth of inelegance. (And I'm "just being contrary and argumentative?" What kind of insult is that? Are you trying to shame me into agreeing that $250 for a novelty case is totally a good deal? 'Cause that ain't happening.)
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A quick browse of Tigerdirect (arguably the cheapest retailer top to bottom) reveals that there are a lot of PC cases in the $200 price range without PSU or keyboard.  The C64x case/keyboard/card reader chassis is pricey for a plastic kit, but not exorbitantly so given the quantity manufactured.
People keep bringing up "well, x also exists, and it costs as much or more!" like that means anything at all. $200 cases? $400 keyboards? Of course there's other ridiculously-priced shit out there, Barry isn't even remotely the first person to think of selling overpriced mediocrity to stupid people. That doesn't make it not overpriced.
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2011, 06:14:15 AM »
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And I won't stop stating my opinion of the anti CUSA zealots.
"Then we are decided?"
"Then we are...decided."
 
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If you don't think it's a good deal then don't buy it. Commodore used to make a huge margin on their computers. How do you stop youself from droaning on how big box Amigas were such a bad deal?
Mainly because Commodore is dead and gone, their CEO isn't posting here yammering about how it's totally a reasonable price because he failed to negotiate cheaper parts, and I never bought an Amiga new anyway.
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That includes the X1000.
And again: I'm not an X1000 defender. It does, in fact, appear to be comically overpriced, even by PPC standards - I have a G5 Mac that will likely give it a run for its money, which I got in like-new condition for $25, and that's not even the highest-end G5 Mac! The only reason I talk less about the X1000 is because its zealots do less yammering about it.
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2011, 06:50:10 AM »
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What you mean is that there is no X1000 news to post, so the anti X1000 zealots can't trash the threads.
Possibly. Either way, it's less in-my-face.
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2011, 05:03:21 PM »
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Regardless of Barry being the jerk he seems to be, I think CUSA has delivered what they have promised, unlike most commodore/amiga-related companies have done in the past decades.
People keep saying this like it's some magical accomplishment. If a hobo spent a year screaming at me on the streetcorner about how he was going to sell his terrible chalk drawings for $1000 and then a year later turned out to actually be selling his terrible chalk drawings for $1000, that wouldn't change the fact that they're terrible, or that he spent a year screaming at me about it.
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And I don't think the case is so expensive, considering it is a nice quality custom case/keyboard, produced in low volumes, to be sold for old nerds/collectors like you and me. And I think you all know about economies of scale, since you often use this argument to justify things like a Sam board, which is hardware that can be compared to what the PC manufacturers and apple produced some 10 years ago, being sold today for about U$800 (and that includes only a bare board!).
First off, criminy! How many times do I need to say it? I'm not a defender, fan, or user of the X1000, the SAM, or other overpriced/underpowered PPC boards. Even if I were a fan of them, I wouldn't be so dense as to claim that the price tag is actually reasonable because it's only meant for a small market. Expensive is expensive, and even if you're okay with something being expensive, it doesn't change that fact.
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Btw, what I liked the most was the keyboard. Have you seen that it includes a custom keyboard made of Cherry MX keys? Do you know these are high quality mechanical keys manufactured in Germany, instead of the el-cheapo silicone dome keys used in every keyboard that comes with PCs? Do you know that a PC keyboard with these keys cost U$150, for the keyboard alone??
Yes, people have blathered on about that quite a bit. To which I reply: the widely-acknowledged nicest keyboard ever made, the Model M, can be had new for $80, and I seriously doubt Cherry MX is even $70 nicer, let alone $170.
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Spammy, where are the reviews and pictures of your  personal working 64x?  Surely you have ordered one?  Surely someone who  has done so much for C-USA (Spammy threads, posting false pictures,  making false statements) would have been one of the priority  shipments?
No, no, don't you remember? dammy has repeatedly emphasized that he's  not at all interested in the C64x, which explains why all he ever  posts are shoddy defenses of Barry's behavior and CUSA promo blurbs!
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2011, 05:21:47 PM »
By the way, here's a fun quote I found in an earlier thread:
Quote from: digitex;637006
I said we will be shipping from inventory with no  wait by mid summer. We will start shipping the preorders, in the order  they were received, by the end of this month.
("This month" being May. :D)
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2011, 05:45:10 PM »
If they can't take the heat, they should never have stomped into the kitchen proclaiming themselves the master chef.
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2011, 07:44:29 PM »
Oh, they've shipped? Great! Now I'm left with only all of my main objections!
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2011, 11:19:59 PM »
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I don't think you understand the volume they are shipping out.  They had excess of 40,000 pre-order sales that will all be shipped by end of the month.   Once COS 1.x is out the door, I suspect we will be hearing more about their new Commodore Amiga series.  I certainly hope by November we hear what COS 2.x series is going to be and it's roadmap.
See, this would be a lot easier to swallow if we hadn't had you, sir, spouting dozens of continually-shifting dates and numbers long before any of even the units we've seen to exist were manufactured or shipped. You're about as reliable an indicator as a calendar, a dart, and a pair of dice.
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quote:  "Coretemp reporting idle temperatures of nearly 190F"

Getting close on the temp cap there:  http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Atom/Intel-Atom%20D525%20AU80610006225AA.html  
100c being 212f
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2011, 12:53:58 AM »
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If they had been honest and upfront from the start and not tried to erase all of the ongoing efforts from others over the past few years then I think all of us would have been cheering them on.
I wouldn't be cheering them on, but I sure as hell wouldn't be bearing them so much ill will. As I've said before, I didn't come into this with anything against them - it's been the constant arrogance, fudging, and thread-flooding for the past fershlugginer year that put me off them.
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It would be nice if some folks would stop shitting all over threads about things they obviously don't care for.
It would be nice if some folks would stop flooding an Amiga forum with dozens of threads about something that's not even Amiga-related and acting like the mere existence of a product is proof that it's the Holy Designated Successor to the legacy of the computer it's dressed as.
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Re: C64x Unboxing videos
« Reply #29 from previous page: July 16, 2011, 03:49:07 AM »
Yes, and I'm good with that. However, for one thing, a whole lot of these threads have been placed in "Amiga General Chat" or "Amiga News and Community Announcements," because the CUSA zealots want everybody to accept that this is the True Future of Commodore, and were only moved to an appropriate forum when people started asking what the hell they were doing there.

And furthermore, the sheer number of them is just ridiculous. dammy posts new threads every time Barry Altman so much as farts, and other people (like starter of this topic and obvious shill chlamb, who joined one day before posting this and has no other posts than the two in this thread,) have further flooded the forum with this crap.

(I'm not saying that that's a violation of the rules or should be banned, but it is pretty fucking obnoxious.)
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