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Offline johnklos

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You know, there are some of us who agree with Kolla and don't see the need for all this defensiveness about the Vampire.

I, for one, want a compatible CPU, FPU and MMU. I don't see gcc being adapted for the special instruction set of the "080", particularly since the instruction set is still changing. Likewise, there's no way anyone is going to spend even a tiny bit of work caring about the special case of an "080" for LLVM - all energy is going in to generating code than can run on real m68k chips. If an emulation or an FPGA implementation can also run code that runs on real m68k chips, then great!

All this talk about memory controllers requiring a different kind of MMU is bull. You're conflating issues. A memory controller needs access to things that an MMU needs to do, but this does not require a reinvention of an MMU. There's no good reason whatsoever that an m68k compatible MMU can't also support the needs of a memory controller (or multiple controllers) without making the MMU incompatible from the point of view of the running OS.

What I'm getting at here is that there are all of these apologists for the Vampire that are pretending that there are reasons why a non-standard MMU and non-standard FPU are somehow "necessary", when it's nothing but bull. What each and every apologist here is missing is how this is going to mean the Vampire will miss out on helping with real projects such as gcc, LLVM, and all the cool tools and software that come with a proper suite from each of those.

Also, there's no good technical reason that I can imagine or have seen here or anywhere else that suggests that anything but a superset of the m68k instruction set is necessary. Add features all you want, but trying to say that they have to come at the expense of compatibility is specious at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

Kolla has a tremendous amount of patience to deal will all of the apologists. I'd have given up a long time ago. I don't even have anything else to add here besides this until there are Vampire options that can run m68k code properly. It's of interest to me personally when I can run NetBSD on it and work on testing toolchain issues.

One day, we'll make another ixemul library based on modern NetBSD and we'll again have a way to compile and run lots of free and open source software on AmigaDOS.
 

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Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2018, 07:33:33 PM »
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This must be another one of Kolla's duplicate accounts.  He had a couple of them on the Apollo/Vampire forums too....


It's this. Rather than participate in any technical part of the discussion, you come up with this bull.

If you Google my name, you'll see that I'm not private about who I am and use the same name in many places. So, either you're accusing Kolla of having a VERY elaborate, multi-site, multi-year set of false profiles, or you're accusing me of being Kolla.

In reality, it's easy to dismiss you because 1) you've added literally nothing to the discussion with your comment, and 2) you failed to spend even sixty seconds to look in to anything before posting your comment.

If you can't take ONE MINUTE to look in to something before making an accusation, how can anything else you say be taken seriously?
 

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Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2018, 07:36:40 PM »
To clarify my position, I'm not saying that a wonderful extended instruction set, MMU and/or FPU are in any way a bad thing. If we're to have a technical discussion, though, I assert:

The CPU's instruction set, the FPU's implementation, and the MMU do not need to be incompatible with existing m68k CPUs in order to implement additional features. If you disagree, please go in to technical detail.

That's all. I'll buy a Vampire when I can use it as a super-speed m68k for software development and testing. Or, if it never becomes a compatible super-speed m68k, I won't buy it. But I'm hoping.
 

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Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2018, 03:53:03 AM »
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There's no point in any technical discussion with you or Kolla.  Several people who are much more technically inclined have engaged you both and shown your rants and arguments to be fallacies and slander, yet you persist....so I choose not to feed you trolls nor waste my time with you.  And it wouldn't be the first time that a user created multiple profiles in a particular forum.  It's been done here as well as over at the Vampire forums.  They're generally quite easy to pick out.  And if you are who you say you are, then why are you even getting riled up about it?  Methinks thou dost protest too much.


Ummm... What? You must be confused. Please let me know where this supposed technical discussion can be found.
 

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Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2018, 06:47:54 PM »
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Over at the Apollo/Vampire forums where he was banned for constant trolling, constant arguments with Gunnar and Vampire team members, and for his relentless misinformation campaign.


So you're still trying to imply that I'm the same person as Kolla?

I'd seriously appreciate it if you didn't reply to my posts unless your reply was about some technical aspect of this discussion. On the other hand, I can't stop you, but keep in mind that you're the one who looks like an idiot for replying to me as if I'm Kolla.
 

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Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2018, 06:13:54 PM »
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@johnklos

OFFTOPIC:
                Do you still have those lovely 68k Amiga servers? I remember one of them was a racked based 68060 Amiga called "Lillith". It was a beatifull sight.


http://lilith.ziaspace.com

I do! The 1U rackmount Amiga 1200 was recently recapped and is happily compiling away. Yay! It's not the machine hosting that page right now because I'm moving, but it will be on the public Internet again soon.

My Amiga 4000 server still needs a full recap. Trying to compile all 17,000 NetBSD pkgsrc packages with just one m68060 (and a 1U Quadra 605 with a 33 MHz m68040) is a bit impractical. I'm looking forward to getting a Vampire 500 v4 in to the mix.

Since it appears that a fully compatible FPU is now part of the latest software release, the only thing left is the MMU. Of course, that's a huge undertaking, but I'm glad we're no longer splitting hairs about the FPU. In the interest of having great speed and 512 megs of memory, I may even try my hand at redoing the memory management in NetBSD to work with the MMU features that are already implemented, even though they're not Motorola compatible.

Supporting the SD card and ethernet should be straightforward. It might be time to buy one. Does anyone here have any experience installing one in an A1000? I don't have an Amiga 500, but I do have an Amiga 1000...