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Offline DonnyEMU

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It's free advertising for one, and secondly if you got written indefinitely permission from the original copyright holder (not A Inc.) how can they complain..

The Boing! logo was adoped by A Inc. but never was an offiical symbol that was owned and used by Commodore.. Why?? Because they adopted it too, and it wasn't originally copyrighted by Commodore. But the developer of the Boing! ball demo.  So their buying the rights just doesn't hold water. A certain developer of the original "Boing!" demo holds that copyright. Or at least did hold the "rights" to it.. During the original Amiga years if you wanted to use the boing! ball, you originally had to get permission from the developer and his company to use it if you decided to, not Commodore. So arguably Commodore never had the rights to it, how could A Inc. have it. They had the demo sure, but was not done in house. That pre-dates the loraine prototype.

 Plus that logo has been used by NewTek and Play Inc.  too. (pre-dating A Inc's useage). I doubt Play asked permission either and it was probably registered by them before A Inc. came onto the scene (the chrome 3d one version).

It would be silly for them to attempt to say A Inc. really owns the copyright on that, because that was someone else's prior art and copyright other than Commodore..

That's why Commodore themselves used the checkmark it wasn't they didn't like the boing! symbol it just wasn't really theirs (it was the developer of that demo's) to give permission..

So I doubt it holds water that A Inc. could even seriously trademark that logo.. There's tons of prior printed art and software.. It's not my place to say who that developer was (but his name is in the a1000 case) and he still retains the ownership unless he released those rights..

He probably doesn't care and is just supporting the Amiga community. That's probably why A Inc. dropped all the fuss.. It's not even their property.. They bought Commodore registered symbols and the boing! ball is someone elses..

Hints: A2024 and X-Windows..

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Re: The legalities of using (copyrighted?) Amiga logos on websites
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2004, 12:54:54 AM »
I remember for sure (I was an original Amiga developer with CATS) and the copyright on that was owned not by Commodore but by Dale Luck.. I also remember GfxBASE (his company) used it as their logo and you had to get permission to show it. Also just because Commodore showed off the Boing! demo doesn't mean they owned it or bought the rights.. I remember that being a serious SERIOUS issue and the explanation as to why they went with the checkmark logo instead (and the boing! was never an official Commodore logo) and Commoodore P.R. style guides forbid it's use...

So I bet Amiga Inc. probably contacted him and got permission to use it (or at least you hope they did). Their version of the Boing! Ball isn't exactly the original rendering anyway so it might not matter...

It would be interesting to hear what RJ Mical and Dale Luck has to say about this.. Even if they worked for the Amiga during lorraine development, they bought the hardware. Remember the OS was brought in from the UK after Commodore had hardware. But as far as I know Dale Luck owns the copyright and back in the "day" you had to ask Dale and RJ's permission..
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Re: The legalities of using (copyrighted?) Amiga logos on websites
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2004, 05:55:17 PM »
Copyrights take time to slip into the public domain however.. A copyright here from 1984 wouldn't be considered public domain. Just ask Disney or Mark Twain (Sam Clements) estate what a tricky business that all really is, with copyrights trademarks at patents..

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