Theo de Raadt says Pegasos Bad

[Jope]

I'm a bit disappointed with the lack of reasons.. Why is the board broken? What board is he talking about?

[Jope]

Batman, the thread was two articles when I posted that

1) Theo vaguely saying that the arch is more closed than pc + it doesn't work (it does for me, what's his excuse?) also he spoke a lot about the politics of the company, but I don't care about that, I care about the HW.
2) Diana saying that she didn't get 1G eth drivers -> sent it back

Now all I got from there is that "the board" is broken. Not which board, perhaps Theo has one of the early non-apriliserd April1 boards, which truly are broken to shambles, but not much info about that.

Then the second bit about 1G eth, it's true Diana can't use the board if it's missing the driver (She wants 1G eth), but that shouldn't be a valid reason for Theo to drop OBSD on the Peg 2 altogether, and call the system more closed than a PC?

Usually these open source OSes get stuff done a bit at a time, in the meanwhile the board is fully usable with 100M ethernet, if it's sufficient for the user (the VIA Rhine chip onboard).

So.. Still, from those posts I don't see the reasons why Theo came to his conclusions about the board being crap! The 1G eth thing was totally my reasoning, since Theo didn't specifically say that when he talked about it being closed.

Also, please don't categorise me as a blue troll, I don't run MorphOS and I certainly don't like Genesi that much. I just want to know why the HW that works for ME is broken to HIM. (I'm assuming Theo's still talking about the Pega1 and Diana is talking about the Pega2)

[Jope]

Batman wrote:
@jope
First, Theo is not a troll, he's the boss of the OpenBSD project. Read his website: http://www.theos.com/ :-D

I never called him a troll. I know what he's done. In my opinion, accomplishments don't give justification for being arrogant..

Second, Theo is questioning only about Genesi's "customer care". Basically he's alerting everyone to not make his very experience with BBRV. Well, he has a somewhat flaming way of express himself, but when he talks, he talks with reason.

Ok, why did he draw the HW into the discussion if he's only griping about Genesi support?

And still: even though that's his way of writing, I don't give him any props for just slagging away without really telling us why. Even though he's accomplished in the BSD arena, all that better than you attitude drops his points in my eyes..

Why don't ask him, via misc-openbsd mailing list, the same questions you asked me? I'm sure he will have some interesting answer.. ;-)

I asked in private. Let's see if it he reads it or answers.

Third, OpenBSD's policy is always to support hardware makers that give full and free access to the documentation (Read: no NDA). Look backward in that mailing list for a thread about SPARC documentation for OpenBSD. :-D

Ok, that I didn't know.

Then again, from what I've heard about Theo, he probably isn't very willing to flex to anyone else's will.

Hmm, I wonder why this subject actually gets to me - I don't even have any interest in running *BSD on my Pegasos. :-D Oh  well, I guess it's a matter of principle.. I don't just take it for granted when people slag off my choice of car either without reason. :-)

[Jope]

itix wrote:
I mailed Theo de Raadt and got reply today. I can understand his attitude.

Same here.

However, I still stand by my previous statement that he should have worded himself differently + points go down for arrogance and exaggeration..

Now I just get why he's ticked off, as the story has unfolded a tiny bit.

I hope Theo releases what he was talking about in the posting, I'd like to see how he was treated.

Ah, how I so love my classic Amigas. NO company politics can make or break them any more.. Who can kill a dead platform again. :-D