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Offline Jope

Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« on: February 23, 2005, 11:41:00 AM »
Hmm, it seems that Amiga case modding is currently at the same level as PC case modding was in 1997.

For the current PC situation, take a look at sites like:
http://metku.net/modgallery/mods.php?area=99
http://www.case-gallery.de/gallery.php?gallery_nr=1
http://www.moddin.net/gallery_view.asp
and especially stuff like:
http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/case_gallery.php

More can be found with google.

So, I'm eagerly awaiting to see a really amazing Amiga case mod / custom case, a little more than some paint and windows.

Please don't take this as an insult, but more like an encouragement to do even better next time.. It's always a good thing that someone decides to apply some creativity to the boring sea of beige boxen, but Amigans should set their standards so high that the end result is totally exceptional! :-)

Tidy up the cables, paint the visible front panels of your drives, paint the inside of the case, maybe have some interesting designs on the windows, inside the case, etc.. You can even be creative with the cables - instead of just buying rounded cables, stick them in tubes made out of metal mesh or modify them otherwise, whatever suits the theme of the case you're going to build.

There's loads of great ideas to be applied in the case modding galleries all over the web.
 

Offline Jope

Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2005, 05:50:54 PM »
So you did take offence.

I'm still standing by my points. How many galleries did you really look at? Only the last one with the extreme cases?

I don't mean you need to build your macihne into a vacuum cleaner case, but in my opinion it's a bit pointless to make a window case if you leave the innards looking like a gutted animal.. More attention to detail and the end results are so much more pleasing to the eye.

The power tower looks exactly like a PC case - I used to own an AT case that looks like that in my first PC from back in 1995. Thus I don't really see your point in there being amiganess in it. :-)

But by all means, enjoy what you accomplished. at least you've left your mark on it.
 

Offline Jope

Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2005, 08:59:03 AM »
TheDaddy wrote:
>>So you did take offence.
>Of course I did! Read your comments and see if they are not >offensive. "Just a bit of paint and some plastic","I am >awaiting to see a really AMAZING Amiga case"

Yeah.. Seriously, having seen some truly fantastic cases, I find it hard to cheer for something that's been done lots of times before with varying success.

>What do you mean by that anyway, someone to produce a
>custom one for your royal pleasure to slag off or a pc case
>with lights and "rounded cables" in it like all the ones
>from the "pc scene"  You are passing judgment!

You lost me on that, sorry.. I'm not a native English speaker.

>And what is this crap "Please don't take it as an insult
>but as an encouragement to do BETTER next time!" WTF! Who
>are you to judge?

No-one, but I'd really like to see some really great case mods by those of you who are handy with the tools.

>Some sort of industrial design guru? The way you speak is
>totally pc devotee like I am afraid and it reflects in the
>way you talk about the "pc modding scene" and how behind
>the Amiga is.

Not words from my mouth, certainly.

Look, the reason I have this opinion is, that you are modding in essence what is a PC case that has a special mounting bracket for the Amiga motherboard + a different back panel.

Thus the mods you do are going to be judged by the same standards that people judge mods done to ATX standard cases - the base case looks pretty much the same from the outside, but you can create interesting results when you apply a bit of creativity.

>Do you own an Amiga by the way? ;)

A4000/060
A4000/040
A2000/060
A500+/010
and a pile of other A500s

C-64 user since 1985, Amiga user since 1989, also a PC user since 1995. I'm not fanatic of any computer platform, I use what gets the job done.

>Excuse me but it's a project and it could carry on forever
>but for time reasons couldn't be done. You are spitting on
>somebody's effort and creativity...show us something you
>can do/have done with your hands, without just assembling
>pc stuff!

Now you're just taking it sooo verryyy personally. If you read my first post about this, I still feel it was written in a pretty encouraging tone. However now that we began to argue about this, the situation is different and my tone is different too.


>You can stand by your points, your choice, and I visited
>all the galleries and didn't like a single one, so you are
>assuming that I only looked at one gallery.

You only pointed out the "hoover style case".

>Please! Again you are patronizing and offensive.

Come on, take some constructive improvement ideas like a man.

>Why is it
>pointless to leave the innards looking like that, on the
>other hand it shows from all the angles the beauty of an
>Amiga1200 and its incredible expandibility.

No, it shows a tangle of wires.

>Also if you don't mind me asking did you read the website's
>notes and my recent post? Just because the cables aren't
>tied it doesn't mean the case isn't interesting,

Sorry, but as you looked through those galleries, you're bound to have seen lots of cases that were similar to yours. Hence it wasn't really anything that special in the case modding universe.

>there are some lovely architectures, like the Lloyds
>building that have expressed and exposed structure but it
>is still an interesting piece of work (not that I am
>comparing my Amiga to the Lloyds building) ;). It might not
> be finished but you will rarely find a designer happy and
>satisfied with his work, there is always something that can
> be done to improve.

True and I gave you some ideas, yet you took them as insults and that lead to the crap we're spewing at each other at this very moment.

>I can understand other people when they say "I don't like
>the colour" and that's fine. It's a matter of taste, but
>slagging off somebody's hard work is lame.

Slagging off.... Hmm.

The second post was not in such an encouraging tone any more, I guess I should have been more careful with my wording.

>Yeeeah! It's a pc case converted by Elbox/Power Computing.
>Ever heard of them?
>"It looks like your case from 1995" so
>what? It's probably the same one and??

You're missing the point. The point here was to emphasize that it is a PC case -> mods done to PC cases are usually judged by the standards set by other people's PC case mods.

>Appreciate the fact
>that like Haymiggan said it's an admirable the effort to do
>something with it and make it look different.

Congratulations.

>I am enjoying it, more than 1000 hits in a day, thanks.

Yeps. How many of those hits contacted you to say it was an exceptional design? This thread isn't very long, you know, only a few dozen people out of 1000 here.

The reason I pointed people to what's happening in the PC world is, that all the Amiga case mods I've seen posted to these forums so far (and this means the ones that are in basic modified PC towers before the user started their own modding affair) look quite similar to yours - paint, window, tangly wires, a few fans.

You guys can surely do more, I enjoy watching people do great things. However I am NOT one to just throw a generic "great job" remark if I think the creator could outdo himself with a few outside ideas..

The bottom line is, I only tried to give you and the rest of the Amiga case modders a few hints on where to proceed from these beginnings (ie. what was done outside the Amiga world a long time ago). If someone who has seen lots of modded PC cases surfs to your site, they might not think "wow, great job" but they could be thinking "oh, seen those, next".

I'm ready to admit that I have not done modded cases myself, but that's just because I know that what I'd come up with wouldn't be all that great -> hence I reckon I better keep the case's original appearance rather than ruin it with my shaky hands slipping with the dremel.
 

Offline Jope

Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2005, 09:03:23 AM »
Quote

restore2003 wrote:
Your just being rude and obnoxious, let us see something you made then?  :-x

If being rude is trying to get some new ideas wedged in the Amiga case mod scene, then I am oh so rude. Obnoxious, dear god no.

The case we're talking about here is certainly an improvement to what it used to be (a boring beige box), but it could have gone so much further, hence I can not say it's amazing at this point. Paint and windows are the staple of case modding..

Just about every lan party goer has a painted windowed case with a CCFL tube inside it.. It's not something exceptional, even though modifying cases is less common here in the Amiga circles.
 

Offline Jope

Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2005, 09:19:02 AM »
Sorry for offending all of you, I hope I have reasonably opened my brain in the above long posting and you might now see why I think like I do..

I meant the original post as an encouragement to do better - I asked a few people I know whether they thought it was rude and they said that it was actually pretty objective. (of course people I know are most likely biased towards me and vice versa :-)

I could have slagged the case off, but if you read my post again without bias, you'll probably notice that it was not my intention.

Of course the creator of the case is bound to react protectively of his creation, but I was hoping that my writings were understood more like constructive criticizm rather than plain old fashioned slagging off.

Slagging off is something I don't do.. If I were to insult the case, I'd have said straight out along the lines that "I hate your case, what a load of crap". However I didn't say that or think that (however you'll probably never believe me).

I have nothing more to add to this thread - I think I've said all I have on my mind about the subject and made my points quite clear.

TheDaddy, please take a few deep breaths, calm down and read all we wrote. I have nothing against you or your case, we both got worked up over a non-issue. However I will not take back any remarks or go back and edit my messages from this thread, as I still reckon I have not acted in any way to be ashamed of. (certainly not obnoxiously, as our Norwegian friend put it)

I think the problem here is also a huge 1000km cultural gap. I'm from Finland, TheDaddy is from the UK. Over here we often say things straight and frank (however we try to be polite about it, I too tried but failed miserably :-). Over in the UK you're usually polite towards each other even if you really think otherwise.. At least that's what I experienced when I lived there as a kid.

So.. I don't know if we can ever shake hands and make up (I certainly hope we can), but TheDaddy, I hope we can both look back at this with different thoughts after a few months have passed and we've got most of the hot air out of our systems.

TheDaddy, if you want to continue debating this issue with me, please do it in private messages, I don't want to flood the forum with this any more.
 

Offline Jope

Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2005, 11:09:30 AM »
TheDaddy wrote:
>I believe you but it still made me feel uncomfortable
>hearing " a bit of paint and tangle of wires" What if I >told that about you work?

Yeah, I do realise my choice of words was way off.. I didn't mean to comment at your work specifically, but I couldn't get my thoughts down correctly.

>Coll. Finished here too :)

Great. :-)

>Here too and again you are assuming I am from the U.K. so I
> must be british and my way of thinking british too...I
>could be Indian, Bangladeshi, Italian, French, German,
>Swedish and living here that doesn't mean I think like all
>the british...

Yeah, sorry.. I didn't quite mean that the way it came out either.. I guess I'll have to move to an English speaking country for a few years again to become more fluent in "social English"..

Speaking about nuts and bolts is easy even in a foreign language, but social encounters are easy to really mess up. :-)

>I always shake hands even if the are sprayed with a bit of
>paint ;)

>Let's end it here... :)

Ok, I feel much better now that this has cleared out..