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Cs MKII
« on: August 17, 2017, 05:16:51 PM »
Thanks to Chucky my MKII is now doing 100mhz :D
And you can feel the difference from the 72mhz I used to have compared to the 100mhz when you for example use iBrowse :)
 

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Re: Cs MKII
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2017, 11:10:47 AM »
I will link a post from amibay where everything is explained so I don't have to type a novel on my por phone :)

http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?90901-Amiga-hardware-repair-restoration-and-upgrade-service&p=850485&viewfull=1#post850485
 

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Re: Cs MKII
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2017, 11:17:23 AM »
Quote from: orange;829734
what about overheating?


At the moment I have not had any problem with the heat, I have tried to measure thre temperature of the heatsink itself with an IR measuring device and the highest I could record was 38c.

Chucky did some recording with a way more advanced instrument on the CPU itself without a heatsink and he hit over 90c in an instant.

So with a heatsink and a bit larger fan you will be just fine :)
 

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Re: Cs MKII
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2017, 04:55:32 PM »
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no side effect at all. the mod consist to put the MkII in 040 mode only by moving 2 switch.
by doing this, you divide the bus frequency by 2. so, when you run a 060 at 100 Mhz, the bus run at 50.
so, the scsi work, and no stress at all for the logic and ram.

the only side effect is your 060 wasting a lot of cycles to wait for ram access :D
a real exemple : doom will run more fast at 72-75 Mhz with a 1/1 bus than 100 Mhz with a 1/2 bus...

mips are cool, but... that's not all.


you can, the same way. but you need to switch the cpu voltage to 5V and get a 040>060 adapter.
but you'll face the same drawback. you get more mips on benchmark, but you bottleneck ram access...

in short : i'll never trade my Mk3 running 75Mhz for a Mk2 running 100 Mhz :D
i have both, so i experienced.


Can you let the rest of us see some benchmark screenshots?
 

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Re: Cs MKII
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2017, 12:07:01 AM »
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for the moment, i can only post some screenshots with sysspeed and bustest with my Mk3 at 75 (74,3 Mhz wichamiga say) , set to 60ns for ram in firmware.

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i don't have screenshots with Mk2. and as it run at 100 Mhz too, it won't be useful...

but finding somone else with a OC'ed Mk2 running 1/1 bus to compare is doable i think... HammerD can you help ? :D


Is there any form of real life application we can benchmark and see for example fps difference in a game or somthing?
 

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Re: Cs MKII
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2017, 05:39:37 PM »
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here it is  : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zCHGWytf9Q


Nice will check it out when I can sit down in front of the computer, on my phone it says "not available"
 

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Re: Cs MKII
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2017, 08:09:11 PM »
Did a quick video and just let the demo run a bit.
Dont know what map you got on your video so i just used the default.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgLdQ9Rmp0
 

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Re: Cs MKII
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2017, 10:15:18 PM »
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it was doom 2.

i did a quick shot with the same version as your : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o78ac89CHPQ&feature=youtu.be

just simply look at the first screen : i got 32 fps, where you get 17.


Yes, your fps sure is higher then what I'm getting.
 

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Re: Cs MKII
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2017, 11:08:38 AM »
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There are a lot of different variables here.  One system has CS-MK3 that has much faster memory than a CS-MK2.  But it could very well be that Doom really needs fast system RAM above everything else.  Not sure whether Prometheus beats a Cybervision, by the way which Cybervision is that, 64 or 3d?


Ohh yes that is correct, the mk3 have a 64bit memory access :)
 

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Re: Cs MKII
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2017, 08:01:07 PM »
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64 bits memory doesn't do very much in this case.
in this case, this is not specially doom. and this is not specially graphic card too.
this is simply the effect of the 060 wasting ton of clock cycles to read/write in memory when the bus is divided by 2... it's not very hard to understand.

it's a bit like if you get a car engine from 72 to 100 HP, but divided the gas pedal run by half. (i don't know if "run" is the good word in this context but english is not my native language)

look : here is my Mk2 at 66 Mhz 1:1 bus : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPKMsKGj_1g

compare here at 100 Mhz : https://youtu.be/9zCHGWytf9Q?t=73

what do you see ? and please watch carefully :)

i have a very little bit better framerate at 66 Mhz... why ?
because at 66 Mhz, the bus is synchronous, and the 060 despite the fact there's less raw mips... waste a lot less clock cycles to access memory.


The first sentence you wrote in that post made me ignore everything else you have said.

If a 64bit memory access would not matter "that much" your MKII would recive the same FPS as your MKIII did, sure you had a 9Mhz differnce but that would not drop you from a stabel 25-30 fps on the MKIII to a 16-19fps on the MKII

And then we take a look at the video where MKII 66mhz vs MKII 100Mhz
Here we can see maby 1-2 fps difference in some areas at most, its very hard to tell them a part.
So if you where running a application that where not that memory hungry like Doom and would use the CPU more the 100mhz MKII would win by a long shot.

Run a timedemo and you will have a easier way to see the FPS difference.
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Re: Cs MKII
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2017, 09:42:16 PM »
Quote from: Whaka;829852
well, if you won't uderstand the simple fact that a synchronous bus is better than a bottlenecked bus in general, i can't do much.

the simple facts you can see in my videos, doom doesn't load slower and get around 1,5 fps better on the very first screen at 66 Mhz synchron, speak by itself.

did you realize that we speak about 34 Mhz less here ??
how the hell i can get better results ???


In general? You have showed us one example of a game that favors fast memory!