FS FAAAST ACA1232 50 MHz 128 MB RAM turbocard, faster, than Blizzard 1230 50 MHz!!

[paul1981]

Nice board. I don't understand the objection to the price. Its the fastest '30 upgrade available.
So it should be fast AND extremely compatible.
And w/o the processor (which can still be bought fairly cheaply) it seems like a bargain to me.
If cash wasn't in short supply here right now I'd snap it up.

The only disadvantage I see here is no 68882.

The ACA1232 @ 33MHz was approx. 165 euros brand new quite recently.

So lets say second hand with DIP switch installed and CPU socket soldered in, let's say it's worth 115 euros (remember, original CPU is not included in this sale).

Now, with the new 50 MHz rated CPU, add on 50 euros to above price, which brings us back to the original sale price.

With a CPU socket there'd be no room for a fan or heatsink (unless trapdoor removed).

Let's guess that the card may possibly be a good one as it's good for 50 MHz, so let's add 50 euros again. This brings us to 215 euros, WITH CPU, NOT WITHOUT. Also, I think Jen's latest cards are even faster per clock than the 1232. Is it the 1233n. I'd need to check but he has improved them.

[paul1981]

The performance is not proportional to the sysinfo dhrystones directly.
B1230/50 9000 dhrystones, B1260 37000 dhrystones. The B1260 NOT 4× stronger, than B1230!

Hello Mr Blizzard. I thought we cleared this up last time. Please download the following program from aminet, and then run it on your ACA1232 set to 40 MHz via the DIP switch.

http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/sspeed26

Run the low level CPU test and post your MIPS results here. You won't have MFLOPS as you don't have an FPU on your card. Also try the same thing with your Blizzard 1230 @ 50 MHz, post results here.

Here's my results with a 68060 at 80 MHz. Being as though my card is clocked at exactly double the speed of yours, we can make a good comparison. The memory on your ACA will actually be clocked at 80 MHz and mine 40 MHz, but it will still thrash your 030 cards by a rather large amount...

[paul1981]

:roflmao:


We can draw a direct comparison here between the 68030 and 68040, both results obtained using the crappy Sys(mis)info. Again, you have no MFLOPS.

Your results for your ACA1232 @ 40MHz:
MIPS 9.57
Dhrystones 9176

My results with my Apollo 1240 @ 40MHz:
MIPS 30.5
Dhrystones 29226

The 68040 is therefore over 3x faster than the 68030. And in actual fact in reality it's much more than this because of the higher performing 68040 FPU which is vastly superior (faster) to the 68882 (if your card had one, but it doesn't). Lets see your MFLOPS for your Blizzard 1230 and you'll see what I mean. Conclusion? Rather simple, the 68040 eats 68030's and 68882's for breakfast!

[paul1981]

Any tampering with the card voids warranty. The card could even be 4 years old anyway.

And Blizzard, why do you say that most of the old cards are faulty? Where do get your information from?

When do I get to see your SysSpeed results?

Also, FPU makes a monumental difference in 3D rendering. Some audio software requires an FPU, and some graphical software. Also some games too. For general use you can get away with an 030 system, but if you want to experience the Rolls-Royce of Amiga you'll use an 040/060 and it's hard to go back. It all comes down to an individual's use case.

[paul1981]

Tar & feather him! Ride him out on a rail! Get the pitchforks! :roflmao:

That's a bit extreme Mike, he has lowered the price now...

[paul1981]

I think it'll sell on eBay at 350 euros, honestly. It wouldn't hurt to try.

[paul1981]

Original new ACA1233-55 360 Euro.

A tenner off then, they ought to be pleased.

[paul1981]

I don't understand.
The obsolete Blizzard 1230 MK4 329 and 349 Euro (Sept. 10 and 17 ebay.de) without FPU not overpriced? This right? Why? This not overpriced? My 1232 300 Euro overpriced? Why?

The B1230 50 MHz slower, than my card. Sysinfo 8200-9000, my 1232 50 MHz 11478!
May other sellers sell the old Blizzard products expensively?
Why may I not sell my 1232 card at a real price?
If B1230 350 Euro, then my 1232-50 min. 450 Euro!
My 1232 cheap.

Those Blizzards on ebay.de were overpriced by 150 euros, but like I said, overpricing still sells when it comes down to collectors getting exactly what they want. You want top dollar for your card yes? eBay will be your best bet.

Have you installed SysSpeed yet?

[paul1981]

There's a real ACA1232 @ 50MHz on Amibay at the moment...280 euros.

[paul1981]

I don't know. This is certainly good advertising for Mr Blizzard anyway. I've been tempted to buy it myself on a couple of occasions.

[paul1981]

And? Why do you compare the 68060/50 card to my 1232/50 card? You compare an apple to a pear, or a Volkswagen to a BMW. Meaningless.
No sysspeed. Onto an average use suitable my card. 68060/50-100 MHz unnecessary. The WinUAE free.

To everybody: All important information can be found in the 1. message. Not my duty to answer all messages. Nobody wants to shop, then why you write here?

VW's are great cars...BMW's are also great cars. Hmm.... I see what you mean now, they're both great cards.

[paul1981]

Where is common sense rules of supply and demand,  or economics?
All price unreal, caotic.
The retro Amiga community has only 3-4000 active members on the world. How may 3000 member cause big demand, and high prices?

Surely it's much higher than 4000. Not every Amiga user is signed up on forums or answers surveys on Amiga usage. I know I certainly didn't until 2009.

[paul1981]

Where is common sense rules of supply and demand,  or economics?

This has to be my favourite quote so far...

[paul1981]

I've seen sellers on amibay increase their item price over time, I don't think there's a rule which states you can only decrease it.

The first in line rule is a good thing. Imagine this.... a super rich Amiga hater who buys everything that's ever for sale on amibay and then destroys it. He creates mass bonfires of Amiga computers and related gear and films them as they burn, after which uploading the videos to youtube.

[paul1981]

That's a good price.