MUI 4.0-2015R4 for AmigaOS4/PPC and AmigaOS3/m68k released

[OlafS3]

This MUI4 for 68k is quite silly, because most of Amiga users have 68030 Amiga. 68060 Amigas are so expensive its not even funny. Vampire 600 V2 card might help here, but for AGA owners there is still no solution.

MUI 3.8 works very nicely on my A1200 68030 50MHz with 64MB RAM. MUI4 just tilts the machine and is so unstable its really painful. MUI4 on MorphOS is however fast.

Tried to run Ibrowse 2.4 with MUI4 on my A1200. Ibrowse gave only IBrowseNetwork System errors and AmIRC thought the stacksize is too low when its more than 32000. Everything is ok with maxtransfer on my SFS partitions et.

I dont get how MUI 3.8 can run fine, while MUI4 struggles so much? Sorry for beeing negative here, but the goal should not be to say WinUAE is minimal requirements.

On Aros Vision i have no interest to integrate MUI4 because there is no software needing it. Even worse at least one MUI-Application (Wildfire) do not recognize it and not works. So it is completely useless to me. Perhaps it looks better but for me it is more important that all applications work.

[OlafS3]

It would be nice if they'd taken MUI3.8 and built on it, incrementally,  made small updates and modernizations, and checked and maintained  backward compatibility with the older version as they went.  I mean, I'm no software developer, but that's what I would've done.

I don't think this was the case, here.  If I understand correctly MUI4 for classic systems / 68k was a backport of the MOS version, which was done by a completely different team from the original developers?

Have yet to see a single post from anyone running MUI4 on a classic system "without issue".  Of course would like to be proven wrong, and hope they keep up development - "maybe it'll work someday" - but just glad they remembered to include the disclaimer "Yes, this says it's for 68k/classic.  No, it probably won't work on your 68k/classic system".  LOL.  

I am no expert for MUI history so someone else can correct me if I am wrong. How everyone knows was and is MUI the software from Stefan Stuntz who later became part of the MorphOS team and MUI became integral part of MorphOS (the desktop is based on it). Stefan Stuntz developed 3.9 and the first version of 4, later that development was taken over by others. As far as I know is Stefan Stuntz not actively developing anymore (most of the time travelling around) but of course I do not know that just guessing. So version 4 was done by the same developer. The devs from AmigaOS camp got access to 3.9 code (lately it was indicated that they even had access to early 4 code) and were allowed to take a snapshot of that. So code of todays MorphOS MUI4 has nothing (or at least not much) to do with "MUI4" on AmigaOS because the devs there only got the snapshot and had later no access anymore and try to add MorphOS MUI4 features.

[OlafS3]

can you go ahead and report the wildfire issue to the team? they're always looking for feedback.

-- eliyahu

I will...

[OlafS3]

Even the 68k version of 3.9 causes all kinds of issues on a real Amiga. I have a CSPPC/060 and it didnt run correctly. Cost me hours of attempting to get it stable with the only result in a new install of OS3.9 and putting back MUI 3.8 again.

I dont think this is intended for real Amiga machines. Its more geared at Amikit and UAE systems. Sadly WinUAE has caught up and in just about all cases now is faster than the real thing with better resources.

@Iggy

thanks

@Thread

I would say it this way... for MorphOS optical improvements make a lot of sense because you have enough resources and the desktop is based on it. On AmigaOS it is not used for that but propably they have the motivation to compete with MorphOS. For 68k it is (besides for someone using Scalos) only a GUI toolkit for applications, considering the problems it causes (how many people have already reported) and that there is no application needing it, it makes not that much sense. On slower hardware the high requirements are another problem. And even when you would have faster hardware (Vampire 2) why artifically slowing it down without real benefits. My personal view on that.

[OlafS3]

Thanks to developers for the new version. Please keep the updates coming.

@thread
As the readme says this version is targeted at powerful systems. Either get one or use MUI3.8 instead. But stop whining please. I am happy that someone is still developing something for 68k, especially in 2016!

not everything is "whining". I do not wine, I just state that oviously not all 68k software is working with it, and I have not digged deeper. Also there is no 68k software needing it. Others have stated that it made their system unstable and software is not working or at least not fully. The high demands is just one aspect there.