Hyperion bankrupt?

[OlafS3]

How's that Gizmo? Can you explain?

I would say that too. The OS itself is still running like before and will continue to do so. The driver support is from A-eon anyway. The only thing affected is how will development be after "Final Edition" but it was said already that nobody should wait for it (4.2). So if your interest is to use AmigaOS and you can afford it then go for it.

[OlafS3]

I hope that everythings ok with Hyperion, so that we can look forward to more releases.

(A few people in the thread (most not, thanks) seems almost happy if this were true - can't understand what you trolls are doing in an Amiga forum if you don't want the Amiga OS to continue be released.)

"Amiga" is not only "AmigaOS" today ...

[OlafS3]

name five.


at least 200 people disagree. and the X1000 isn't 3000EUR. oh, and for the record, i bought my first system for less than $600. my next machine was only $400. that may be expensive in your eyes, but it wasn't in mine. please don't take your feelings, project them on everyone else, and then draw false conclusions.

-- eliyahu

it is a hobby for all of us and people spend lots of money on hobbies, it is a matter of interest and available resources. I "overjumped" the PPC time so for me PPC is just another platform and has no special meaning. Others prefer AmigaOS or MorphOS just because of that so we will always have different views on it.

@Topic

We will see what happens after 4.3.. Perhaps nothing like some say, perhaps Hyperion will have big troubles like other say. I am no attorney and I do not know Belgium laws in detail, expecially I do not know what now exactly happens around it because that is only known to the appointed attorney. And even if (worst case) Hyperion really would stay bankrupt then assets are sold so I assume that there are people interested in (at least) keeping how it is, most development is done by voluntary doing it in their spare time so I do not think that much changes to current situation. And existing hardware do not stop working.

[OlafS3]

no problem. i didn't believe ben, either, by the way. that's why i asked. my understanding was that basically the trustee at this point can plan to do whatever they please with the assets, but if other creditors file against planned actions or the directors themselves demonstrate solvency, then things change. plus the directors can appeal directly to the court to overturn the decree prior to the issuance of the final report. but they had better hurry because the trustee can start running things if they really wanted to.

gotta say the 'dog ate my homework thing' from ben sounded absurd, but it's possible. unlikely and demonstrative of a terrible third-party administrative agent, but possible. anyway -- i'm curious to see how things end up. depending on who the 'creditors' are, hey, a bankruptcy might be a force for good, as evert has stated over on AWN. we'll see.


-- eliyahu

I know from here that very small companies outsource administration (accounting and so on) to special small services companies. It is still embarrassing for a attorney that this happens to him. What still wonders me is that "one missed letter" leads to being appointed bankrupt. Letter can be gone lost so I am pretty sure that bankruptcy here in germany (if not declared voluntary) is at the end of a process ignoring letters. But of course perhaps it is true. But even if it is now a legal process that is in the works and situation will depend on what happens now around the appointed attorney.

[OlafS3]

I have tried aros, but it is not TRUE AmigaOS.

not TRUE Amiga? Why? Explain it to me because I honestly do not understand

i use lots of Amiga software on it (Aros 68k)

here is a comparation of intuition on 3.5 / AROS / AmigaOS 4.X

http://www.aros-platform.de/html/intuition.html

if you compare you see that AROS implements almost 100% of 3.5

So what is not "true" there?

[OlafS3]

How about a ROM that can find a CDRom to boot so I can ditch my slowly decaying boot floppies?

An OS that has Thors updates to layers?
All those improvements that are in OS4 only that just need to be compiled for 68k?
Picasso96 officially built in with the improvements in OS4?

There are a ton of things that could be done without a huge investment if someone had the rights to do so.

I read a discussion where someone asked one of the Friedens to compile Warp3D for 68k. The answer was: "I could but I do not. Buy AmigaOS then you have it". That is the attitude. They see the 68k community as a ressource for potential buyers of their expensive hardware/OS packs. If you want a 68k OS that can replace Amiga OS in future then support AROS.

[OlafS3]

@Olafs3

A-EON owns Warp3D now.  I know upgrading it for 68k would be something of interest. All of A-EON's new software technologies developed will be back ported to AmigaOS 3 if the hardware can support it.

I talked here about attitude of Hyperion how I have read it. I know that Amigakit thinks different there.

[OlafS3]

And this is the reason why I think those who want to make a amiga fpga have so much problems. There have been many tempts that could have given us a amazing amiga 68k, like.

- Tina
- Natami

these projects are different from f.e. the apollo project. Behind Apollo there is a group of people not just Gunnar how some think. And it has a realistic approach using existing hardware instead trying to make a custom one. That are the differences to Natami, in reality just one developer using custom (and thus expensive) hardware. Too much for one. Tina, I do not know. It was a hardware without any VHDL-Developer so it never was more than a idea.

[OlafS3]

@Olafs3

A-EON owns Warp3D now.  I know upgrading it for 68k would be something of interest. All of A-EON's new software technologies developed will be back ported to AmigaOS 3 if the hardware can support it.

Is it perhaps possible that we come to a kind of cooperation between Aros camp and Aeon/Amigakit? Perhaps that it would be possible to use developments from you in my distribution and you using Aros developments on your side? I think it would be benficial for both sides.

[OlafS3]

psst! Dont tell them. They might reconsider. Then what?

lol

[OlafS3]

Yes I am referring to 3D support.  Does Aros support Mediator ?

on the support page it is mentioning it "untested"

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support

it seems so:
http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git?a=search&h=8107c280c9c18311144c7d542293ecc4d88468d4&st=commit&s=mediator

I have searched for Mediator in Aros commits and there are 68k related hits

there is also a thread where terminills asked if someone has Mediator:
http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35876&forum=25&17

it is the same time as commits so I assume it was to test if it works

[OlafS3]

classic amiga without ppc is underpowered overpriced crap.

060 is a 486 class processor, and without ppc graphics speed is comparable with 486 vlb.

(if you spend 400 EURO for PCI plus Radeon, without PCI graphics is even worse).

Optimizations for 68k crap are pointless.

classic amiga really needs cpu better than 68k.

without changing cpu to better than 68k classic amiga nothing will help.

Making software for this crap is simply stupid.

Decision to not suport 68k crap was very wise.

ppc is ofcourse fully compatybilne with 68k.

choice ppc only was a very good decision.

Why are you repeating your nonsense all the time? If that decision was so "wise" why there are only overpriced underpowered hardware or aging used macs the only options left?

It would have been wise if they had created something easy portable so they could support different hardware easily.

Sticking to "PPC crap" was a dead end and all the reasons I have read why "X86" is wrong were pure nonsens (even in that days). When a PPC fan (like you claim, perhaps you do not even own one) talks about "overpriced underpowered hardware" sorry I start to laugh. On my newer PC I can beat most of the PPC computers in pure speed in my 68k emulation. So what is "underpowered" here?

You seem not to understand that most use it for pure fun and then it is not important if it is the fastest platform or not. BTW your "PPC crap" is not much more competitive than the "68k crap" just more expensive.

[OlafS3]

Making all amiga software incompatible on new amigaone sounds like a fantastic idea.

He can still move windows (but those then unbelievable fast) :lol:

[OlafS3]

Yep, that about sums it up.  This is why I too am not interested in Arix.  Arix is a great concept if you're an AROS application developer who doesn't care what's underneath the hood.  But native AROS/IcarosDesktop is much more appealing to me because it isn't Linux underneath.  If I wanted to run Linux, I'd just download and install one of the various Linux distros....and I have used Linux in the past but it's a real pain the @ass to use, especially if you upgrade your hardware periodically or use non-opensource video drivers.

There's also a performance hit when running AROS hosted on Linux.  All the AROS API calls have to be translated into Linux API calls first, so it adds another layer of complexity and overhead which again I don't find appealing.

He was not understanding this view. Ok perhaps more a emotional thing like many other things in this community. But you hopefully do not use MacOS then because it is a kind of "Linux hosted" too. Linux hosted is a way to get a quick-fix for the problems with missing drivers, we can of course wait and hope another 20 years or use what is available. ARIX is not a simple linux hosted solution, they create a new kernel that is a merge of linux and Aros so it will be not a linux distribution but AROS using linux drivers for getting support of more hardware (something people often moaned about).

[OlafS3]

Warp3D is NOT a Hyperion product.

What Yasu meant Trevor D. would not invest money in buying and updating of Warp3D if 4.2. with MESA/Gallium would be around the corner. Because simple it would be pure waste of money.

[OlafS3]

No one is trying to rewrite history, who owned warp3D a decade ago is irrelevant to its current status, which is, it is not a Hyperion product and it is not dead.

 what does that even mean?


That makes no sense, ofcourse some one can invest in one technology even though an other is announced. Warp3D has been a big item on many AOS4's wishlist, surely making that come to life, could be reason enough.

I am not saying anything about the current state of AOS4.2 or Gallium, I am just saying, that speculating on AOS4.2's failure to deliver based on new Warp3D drivers being released, is reading to much into it.

Regarding Gutjahr read the newest blog of Trevor (expecially the "Troll" part)

It was already my guess when update of Warp3D was announced (I even predicted that at that time). It makes most sense if you have some insight view and know that 4.2 will not be available in foreseeable future and want to have Warp3D as a kind of quick solution. Otherwise it would be wasting money and I do not think that Trevor would do that. But it is of course just speculation. We cannot know and those who know propably are not allowed to speak . It is not a guess if 4.2 will be ever reality or not but that 4.2 is still far away.