Arix

[OlafS3]

No, the ARIX "OS" and I refuse to call it an OS,  is still sitting on top of a Linux kernel in spite of the single ARIX scheduling arrow pointing directly at the hardware.  This graphic is misleading at best. Arix will not be scheduling hardware resources directly without going thru the Linux kernel.  You must have gotten Dammy to draw this. More smoke and mirrors....This graphic is more at home in a comic book.....

You are making yourself looking silly. Your comments remind me of a small child not wanting to eat something always saying "no I do not want to eat that"

[OlafS3]

OK, then explain how Arix is supposed schedule and create a resource lock on hardware independent of the Linux kernel?  And vice versa.....Explain what happens when Arix and the Linux kernel lock the same resource at teh same time....I'll tell you what happens, you get a disaster, so I find this graphic to be misleading at best, and dishonest at worst.

you are part of the dev-team? When not where do you know? Do you think all others have no clue what they do?

[OlafS3]

@AJCopland

You're not qualified to tell me what I understand or don't understand as you don't even know me. I actually have a masters degree in computer science from the Univ. of Maryland and a bachelors in the same field from the Univ. of Tampa and I see the bullsh@t that Dammy and terminills have been slinging and it's very misleading and I see lesser informed people here just eat it up like ice cream.

You seem really to think you are right. I like ice cream btw. You are not very credible because you bashed on it from first minute and then continued to do so. When there are all informations you can still critisize but not from first minute.

you claim that it is a linux app looking like AROS running on it. So when we look at it there is Poseidon, AHI and other amiga-components, on the screenshot there is the DOpus Magellan icon. All are Linux apps? Explain that with or without master degree...

[OlafS3]

that depends on the definition of "SMP design". It already uses more than one core on system level and they are obviously evaluating ways to use it in other cases. SMP for applications is still in testing/development ("silly SMP") and I think Jason mentioned that it would need 6 months to implement. But it will come do not worry :-)

[OlafS3]

Perhaps they are better than the Aros devs, who knows...

[OlafS3]

i wonder what it means "arix compiled".. so an app needs to be particularly compiled for multicore usage. i somehow hoped aros api would be taken over with only the most necessary extensions not to cause another split.

I do not know if that is really meant. The lowlevel stuff is changed so they certainly have their own hidden infrastructure to compile it. On top of it is Aros. As a example Jason said he would contribute all changes to the normal AROS ABI1. i can remember one screenshot showing a Magellan icon on it so I think from a application view AROS and ARIX will be the same, everything different would be a disaster.

[OlafS3]

Yep, I could imagine that ARIX can replace AROS (native and hosted) which does not mean that there could be no ARIX Broadway for example.
AEROS Comes with a full Linux Environment and opens the door to Linux apps (you can say it is bloated but this is needed to run Linux apps : ) ).
Latest AEROS Versions boot in less than 5sec anyway on SSD's or Hybrid drives.
 
ARIX uses the same ideology of using Linux Drivers but does it on a lower Level (non bloated and AROS is the only Thing a user will see).
 
It solves the Problem that AROS has no Drivers without the Need to run a full blown Linux. The opposite is that without full blown Linux under the hood, no Linux apps.
 
ARIX nightly would be smilar on size of AROS nightly
AEROS nightly would be +40MB (without AROS/or Linux apps) if reduced to the Minimum.

It is a great concept. I hope that there will be a nightly that can be used by you and others to create "Arix" versions of your distributions. It would give the platform a big push forward.

[OlafS3]

IMO:
-To become brilliant everyday machine, AROS (the base behind ARIX) needs to evolve a lot (MorphOS is tough benchmark, and also it has some weaknesses)
-Linux does not run on ANY pc, if one expects full HW support. (I have 5 x86 systems, and every one needs driver love before Linux runs in any decent way) Custom HW is the best way for a niche to do a high quality system.

(Open source AROS and perhaps also ARIX is number one candidate for new HW tinkerer/manufacturer to enter into our niche, because of the most open ideology.
For example, if I managed to get a custom (PPC or x86) HW to production, I would first get AROS on it, then approach ARIX, MorphOS and AmigaOS4 teams.)

from my experience with Aros 68k I would say three areas are to improve: Desktop (Wanderer that some prefer, Magellan is also a good option there), Zune (it is still not fully 3.8 from my experience) and generally optimize 68k integration. Additionally there are problems/errors left that has to be solved and are platform-dependent like MESA/Gallium not fully working (wrong colours) on both Aros 68k and PPC. Then it would become a decent platform for all amigans.

[OlafS3]

If it is worth running I don't mind sourcing parts. PC parts are dirt cheap. Or support the most popular cards.
What is wrong with continuing AROS anyway? Could you run into different problems trying to merge two systems?

I haven't tried hosted AROS, which one is closer to Amithlon?

It depends on how you define "AROS". Most people equal AROS with X86 and that has nothing to do with Amithlon. Amithlon (as I know it) compiles 68k code in X86 before running, AROS only runs special compiled software, on X86 you can run X86, on ARM ARM, on PPC PPC software. you cannot mix between platforms and you cannot mix with 68k (like on MorphOS/AmigaOS and Amithlon). Hosted means it is started as a appliation using the resources of the main system, so it is "perhaps" comparable but not really. The only platform where you can mix Aros with 68k is Aros 68k (that way I created Aros Vision)

[OlafS3]

I'm saying nothing.......

Huh?

[OlafS3]

I was going to type that too, but then I realized I'd be saying something, or typing something anyhow.

Something wrong with my explanation?

then make a better explanation...

Intelligent comments like "I'm saying nothing......." are easy...