Philosophical Question - Amiguing

[OlafS3]

I had a A4000 with 030 and Picasso graphic card and sold (with huge losses) when I got my first PC (including lots of software) and today regret it too...

Of course it has to do with "nostalgia" but that is not the whole story. I am self-employed and have the "fun" to do support/network for some customers on the different versions of Windows and I like "Amiga" more every day because of that :-). It is not that the times were "simple" back then but the system and concepts were. And in many areas AmigaOS was far ahead of competition (f.e. installing drivers by copying files). I think there is at least a chance for the platform but of course it must be "Amiga 2.0" so to say. It will certainly not a revival of 68k as a mainstream platform but 68k will play a important part in it, not just because of nostalgia (f.e. playing old games) but because of the huge distribution chances with UAE running almost on every system today including mobile devices. That is my "dream", not nostalgia but a revive of the platform as commercial market (of course much smaller than Windows or Linux or Mac but big enough for commercial indy developers). I do not think that this is "nostalgia".

[OlafS3]

I'm not sure what exactly you're comparing, if it's shells you're talking about then PowerShell on Windows is superior to the Amiga shell.
 
The Amiga lost it's superiority in the mid 1990's. There were too many compromises made to make it fast on a 68000, which ultimately held it back. I switched from Amiga to PC when Windows XP came out.
 
A Raspberry PI is faster than an Amiga. Anyone programming an Amiga today is doing it purely for nostalgia or fear of moving on.

why always the negativity? Nobody expects that "Amiga" (in whatever form) will become mainstream and beat Windows. Many developers who are left are programming on Windows or for embedded platforms and have "no fear of moving on". It is a nice little platform and in many areas more elegant than huge platforms like Windows or Linux. Let people enjoy it and not search for negativity. We have a nice warm summer day here with blue sky and therefore no need for negative comments.

[OlafS3]

lol

[OlafS3]

A? :-)

[OlafS3]

it does not make the "challenge harder" because the system might be more complex but you have much better development environments than on any amiga-platform. That is one of the weaknesses today. I agree that "Amiga" is not superior today even though the system is much more elegant and adaptable than the "more bloated" modern OSs. "Bloated" here means much more overhead and they were programmed for resource-rich environments whereas AmigaOS runs on even limited systems. You can see on AROS 68k how hard it is to get even near the efficiency of AmigaOS 68k.

Modern development environments are what we would need most.

[OlafS3]

There are a lot of examples everywhere:


Can you find someone saying that this car is faster than a Bugatti Veyron? (a.k. Mr. ChaosLord)

But I bet there are several saying that the experience of driving one of those is better.

No but if you would put in the same engine as the bugati then you would blast the bugati from the road :-)

the difference is efficency. Of course you have today much better hardware (or using your analogy a much better engine) so efficency is not needed anymore. And you have direct access to the "engine" without layers between so you can add some PS :-)

[OlafS3]

You would blast yourself from the road, I suspect.

Propably... but it would the fastest drive of all times :-)

[OlafS3]

Hmmm, there are other improvements as well, not only the engine.
About "Direct Access", I agree. But the reason why they don't do that anymore (IMHO) (Windows, at least) is because they have to support a very large selection of hardware. It's impossible to do unless you have some abstraction layers. But, I think we might be moving away from that. Apple seems to be heading to that direction constructing iOS. At a certain level, they know exactly what to expect and they would be able to use more the true power of the hardware...

I hope that AROS will come to a point somewhen in future with full multicore support. AROS running natively on newest hardware with full support that would certainly become the fastest platform on earth. Of course if you call it "Amiga" or not then is a matter of definition.