AmigaONE X2000

[OlafS3]

It is impossible to sell expensive hardware without software. But I think most people interpret too much in it, searching for a "masterplan" that does not exist. They are simply adding features over time as long as they can earn money with it.

[OlafS3]

What do you mean? There is a good reason not to go to X86... they want to be paid for it (propably in the millions). Because nobody will do that it will not happen.

[OlafS3]

for "true" supporters it must all directly inherit from the original sources (including all errors). And as long as they can earn money in a shrinking market they will continue with what they are doing now.

[OlafS3]

that is not correctly. I was in the chat and as I understand it he does not know it (if it is in or not)

from log:
   If I knew myself I would tell you. :-)
[18:10:02]    Basically, we work hard on all the features and at some point Hyperion says "ship it" and we figure out which pieces are high enough quality to include.
[18:10:19]    hold up for a few min guys :-)
[18:10:24]    So I could take a guess at which ones are going to make it but really it is early.
[18:11:02]    I was just talking to Timothy (a Hyperion director) and they are getting anxious to ship something so that's good news I suppose

One important word "early" so no update in near term and how he explained it someone says "stop" and then they publish what is there. It is a little "unconventional" for my taste but if AmigaOS fans are happy with it...

[OlafS3]

The day started out nice. But now there is just negativity.
I thought the quiet hints at porting to x86 is what a lot of people want. We know it can be done well because of Amithlon.

The underpowered nature doesn't matter, but I sure would like to take advantage of some power.

Hints at a X86 port?

[OlafS3]

Funny to see how the bold and brave "4.2 features" is spontaneously devalued this way. "When Hyperion say 'ship something', we ship whatever we have". Yeah... :rolleyes:

I think it's obvious that there is no centralized plan, no centralized management anymore. Sounds more like they have adapted the AROS approach now, everyone works on whatever he wants, when he wants (on his spare time). And looking at what is actually being released it becomes obvious that hardly anything is happening anymore. The key feature of the last update (OS4.1.6) was a bump in the version number (a new version, yay!) and the bundling of AmiUpdate. There has been some work done on drivers, but that's coming from Acube/Aeon. Why? Well, Christopher Gutjhar (who I trust, and it seems he has some inside knowledge from friends of his in the community) has on a few occasions on various sites been mentioning that the OS4 developers are left unpaid (like: here (my reply)) much like the MorphOS Team was when Thendic France crashed and burned, resulting in the infamous "morphos.net" site hijacking and some developers leaving, and in a post he has even played with the idea of using "amigaos.net" in a similar way in order to get rid of "our version of 'the BBRV folks'". Not a bad idea, IMHO!

Once upon a time, the Friedens were the leaders of OS4 development. They were supposed to be employed and paid, and they were the ones managing all the OS4 development. After a lawsuit against Hyperion regarding missing payments, they suddenly kind of disappeared. I don't mean they stopped reading/posting in forums, but they are not the head of OS4 development anymore. Something changed. Instead "ssolie" (of all people) was brought in. He is not employed. And one of the first  actions he took was to try to bring new developers on board ("AmigaOS wants you") by appealing to anyone in the community to come and help out. Around this time they also started to talk about how AmigaOS was more of a hobby project, so I guess the newbies weren't exactly put on a pay-roll either.

I think this is a credible explanation to both the uncertainties regarding "OS4.2.0", as well to the dramatically halted OS4 development in general. Something is obviously not right in OS4 land, or to put it in a different way - the reality probably doesn't match very well the appearance (the public facade) some people try so hard to put up.

And in the meantime people like Trevor continues marching in their own direction. At his own will, his own initiative. This is what happens when there is no centralized management, no grand masterplan for platform evolution. Anarchy. Hyperion promised things like SMP, memory protection, resource tracking and automatic stack enlargement a decade ago. Today also 64-bit would make sense. But to incorporate these things into Amiga OS, such drastic changes would be required that you could as well migrate to a proper desktop ISA (like x86) while you are at it. *Not* doing this would be close to madness. And then you will have a bunch of people who paid a truckload of money for underperforming PPC hardware that simply doesn't make sense anymore, and will also probably be close to worthless on the second hand market.

All IMHO of course!

I do not comment your slightly ironic comments on AROS, I also have my views on "Macs" in general and used Macs in special (you know what I mean :-) ). Both systems have advantages and disadvantages. I have more fun with AROS (and see better chances) you prefer MorphOS.

Regarding the Friedens (if I understand it right), they were never "employed" in classical sense but propably are freelancer working for Ben H. (we do not know how many hours and if fulltime how Hyperion claims). And Solie is a kind of speakman working free of charge for Hyperion. We should not interpret too much in it.

"This is what happens when there is no centralized management, no grand masterplan for platform evolution."

And seriously MorphOS-Team has a masterplan? Seriously all OS development right now is "hobby" noone can live of it. So I do not think there is a real "masterplan" in any camp. But I must admit that working on it for some time, then stopping at a point and looking what works really sounds a little "unconventional". Regarding comparing opensource vs. closed source/commercial development both have advantages and disadvantages.

[OlafS3]

Funny to see how the bold and brave "4.2 features" is spontaneously devalued this way. "When Hyperion say 'ship something', we ship whatever we have". Yeah... :rolleyes:

I think it's obvious that there is no centralized plan, no centralized management anymore. Sounds more like they have adapted the AROS approach now, everyone works on whatever he wants, when he wants (on his spare time). And looking at what is actually being released it becomes obvious that hardly anything is happening anymore. The key feature of the last update (OS4.1.6) was a bump in the version number (a new version, yay!) and the bundling of AmiUpdate. There has been some work done on drivers, but that's coming from Acube/Aeon. Why? Well, Christopher Gutjhar (who I trust, and it seems he has some inside knowledge from friends of his in the community) has on a few occasions on various sites been mentioning that the OS4 developers are left unpaid (like: here (my reply)) much like the MorphOS Team was when Thendic France crashed and burned, resulting in the infamous "morphos.net" site hijacking and some developers leaving, and in a post he has even played with the idea of using "amigaos.net" in a similar way in order to get rid of "our version of 'the BBRV folks'". Not a bad idea, IMHO!

Once upon a time, the Friedens were the leaders of OS4 development. They were supposed to be employed and paid, and they were the ones managing all the OS4 development. After a lawsuit against Hyperion regarding missing payments, they suddenly kind of disappeared. I don't mean they stopped reading/posting in forums, but they are not the head of OS4 development anymore. Something changed. Instead "ssolie" (of all people) was brought in. He is not employed. And one of the first  actions he took was to try to bring new developers on board ("AmigaOS wants you") by appealing to anyone in the community to come and help out. Around this time they also started to talk about how AmigaOS was more of a hobby project, so I guess the newbies weren't exactly put on a pay-roll either.

I think this is a credible explanation to both the uncertainties regarding "OS4.2.0", as well to the dramatically halted OS4 development in general. Something is obviously not right in OS4 land, or to put it in a different way - the reality probably doesn't match very well the appearance (the public facade) some people try so hard to put up.

And in the meantime people like Trevor continues marching in their own direction. At his own will, his own initiative. This is what happens when there is no centralized management, no grand masterplan for platform evolution. Anarchy. Hyperion promised things like SMP, memory protection, resource tracking and automatic stack enlargement a decade ago. Today also 64-bit would make sense. But to incorporate these things into Amiga OS, such drastic changes would be required that you could as well migrate to a proper desktop ISA (like x86) while you are at it. *Not* doing this would be close to madness. And then you will have a bunch of people who paid a truckload of money for underperforming PPC hardware that simply doesn't make sense anymore, and will also probably be close to worthless on the second hand market.

All IMHO of course!

And yes, MorphOS is "propably" (I do not use it) the best "Amiga-based" (or however you call it) OS right now. But it has one big weakness. It stucks in PPC the same way as AmigaOS and there is no chance (if you believe the Devs) that this will change in the next years. It has reached maximum hardware support (used PPC Macs), the only extension could be Acube/a-eon systems. You have certainly read the disappointment of Morphzone regarding new licenses and users (or better only few new). So both have a problem.

[OlafS3]

pricing etc:
I bet x2000 (2Ghz 2core) is the a-eon idea of a mid range product, cheaper than x1000. Then they can produce the board also wíth four core chip (x4000 as trevor said), for high end and make it more pricey...

more pricey? :confused: