Anybody still hate x86 on principal?

[OlafS3]

Even if it has a "icky" design, who cares. I am developing software on Windows in normal life and never be confronted with assembler. Even on amiga (as long as you develop software using system routines and not directly hacking hardware) you are not confronted with the "icky" design. And users are not confronted anyway. And system programmer mostly use C (and assembler only on rare cases). So finally it is not important if "PowerPC" "could" be better because it is not. It is slower, it is more expensive and so on.

[OlafS3]

the world has moved on. Most "real world" today uses X86/X64 or ARM (tablets...). PowerPC is simply dead. When are you really confronted with the "icky" or "horrible" design when you use a computer or program on it?

[OlafS3]

You name Win 7 but it is not about OS but Hardware. I do not care about hardware anymore and in most cases you are never confronted with it (except low-level/driver development). I would like to have something "amigish" as standard too because it has nice concepts.

[OlafS3]

I don't like x86 because it's a turd that was made to fly while the 68k was discarded like a piece of trash without even trying to upgrade it properly. PPC is better than x86 but then what isn't?



ARM is ok but there is way too many variations to categorize it in one group. The original RISC ARM is innovative and interesting. The 68k should have been enhanced and brought back instead of Thumb 2, not that it's bad either. The 68k is still better.



Power or PowerPC? The U.S. Government subsidizes IBM's Power research for defense purposes. They must have wanted alternative servers to the easy to take down x86 M$ targets with endless exploits that every hacker knows.




What's "icky" about the 68k and the Amiga? The x86 processors are fast and compilers and develop tools are good enough on the x86 that low level (icky?) knowledge isn't as necessary there. Then again, look at the bloat and slow down from the multitude of abstraction layers and lack of programmer knowledge of what it actually going on inside. If you have a problem, you call tech support instead of even considering assembler and system level debugging. On the Amiga, you just step right on into the Amiga OS function and see why it's causing a problem. In a perfect Amiga world, more processing power, better compilers and developer tools and better tech support would be nice though.

I only used this phrases from others. I personally do not care about it. If the hardware runs circles around PowerPC who cares about the concepts behind?

[OlafS3]

I think all these "Intel outside" rhetoric is past. "Amiga" (68k, AROS, MorphOS, AmigaOS) should run on the fastest available and affordable hardware and that is X86/X64 right now. One of the reasons why Amiga in the 90s declined was that it lost the hardware race with A500 and two disk drives as standard for gaming even at the beginning of 90s whereas PCs already had HD and VGA. So when we want some kind of rebirth we need it on competitive hardware.

[OlafS3]

I love the old 68k stuff too :-). You can run it by using UAE on pretty much every hardware now (including Android) and it is really fast and you have plenty of resouces and options (including running it on Windows, Mac and Linux). So why not combining "old" technology with modern hardware :-).

[OlafS3]

+1

Back in that time hardware was very important and defined what you could do with your computer. Today all components are cheap and off the shelf so OS and software make the difference. What hardware is underneath is not important anymore.

[OlafS3]

Why becoming emotional? I only said my view (that is propably shared by many others, obviously not by you). You program in assembler? Fine. When you program in 68k assembler then you can use UAE or you do it on real hardware or FPGA based system (two I can think of). The last two options are for geeks and certainly not for a broader userbase. And UAE runs (almost everywhere). And where is my view the community holding back the community? I do not understand what you mean?

When you program in assembler on other platforms and directly hit hardware than you are rather exotic today.

[OlafS3]

I never said that X86/X64 is the only way forward. I do not care about processor type, be it INTEL/AMD, MIPS, ARM or a future SUPER-DUPER processor. But I would never program any of these processors direct in assembler (or it would be run in UAE and then the environment is not important). So "Amiga" should run on the best available hardware and not make bets again who will win (Amiga-Companies are obviously losing all bets :-) )

BTW the thread is "Anybody still hate X86 in principal?" and I answered Me not.

[OlafS3]

Isn't that "The Amiga Way"?

:-)