Amount of MorphOS copies sold

[OlafS3]

First of all I have biggest respect for the MorphOS-Team and their achievements and good contacts even to "Core-developers" so I do not think that this discussion makes much sense because all camps are too small now and we should think about how to attract new users/developers and not who is the biggest between the three "dwarfes".

I see "activity" in the softwarebase and new entries and 68k is outnumbering all other camps by far (existing base and new entries). So i personal concentrate on attracting 68k developers/users for Aros by creating a new 68k based distribution. You can continue to discuss if you have more users than AOS but what does it help you? The question is is there a concept and ideas that offer a chance to grow or not and I see the momentum in Aros now with many projects now getting ready. I do not see that in MorphOS or AOS right now and I high much doubt your numbers (50 Aros-Users). That is wishful-thinking in my view.

[OlafS3]

I can repeat the typical phrases I read on the different sites: "AmigaOS is the only and true Amiga-Successor because it uses 68k code", "MorphOS is the best, why cooperation? The other camps are not interesting", "Aros is years behind", "68k is only for retros and those are not interesting". Have I forgotten one of the phrases? Now I can add: "MorphOS has more users than all other combined" and "Aros is nonexisting". Do you really think that this attracts more users? When you are confronted with download-numbers of Aros (that are in the hundreds) you say those only test it one time (without any proof of you). On aros-exec is a thread you short say how old are you and what are you doing. Already more then 80 users and certainly not everyone active using Aros. But of course no Aros-User. There is a lot of critic regarding Hyperion and parts of the OS4 users regarding behavior that is correct. But some MorphOS Users behave in a way that could seen as arrogance and that is not nice too. So please stop claiming "XYZ is bigger/better/only true" and look what we can do together. I have contact to some MorphOS developer that are kind people and this does not improve relations to the other camps.

[OlafS3]

There a simple way to measure activity... the software-base. When you call aminet "recent" page and count new entries. There is 68k alone more than all others combined, second is mostly AmigaOS or MorphOS (when I remember right) no big difference between both (f.e. 6 new entries versus 3 or 4) but a really huge gap to 68k and then Aros (but it is now speeding up and developing faster). So when takemehomegrandma is happy about this second place let him have the joy. I am not and are investing my spare time to merge the 68k and Aros communities (what is the logical next step for me). And i see only stagnation in both AmigaOS and MorphOS.

[OlafS3]

No I do not. i wrote "new entries" and not download-numbers. Name me software that is not available on aminet. In my view aminet is best source to show the differences in development of new software of all camps. Or do you think different?

Most of the software you mention are available for all platforms so they make no difference. What software is only available for MorphOS and not on Aminet?

[OlafS3]

Grunch is a great tool, I use it for my Aros 68k distribution. And I appreciate the efforts the core-developers have done and what great software like Grunch or OWB were created for it. I am not against MorphOS but I think MorphOS is in the same trap as AOS (PPC) so working together with Aros would help both sides, more than always saying "we are the best" even if it is a shrinking (in best case stagnating) community.

[OlafS3]

yessss... and MorphOS is the best anyway and all 68k users are retro and Aros is years behind... then we have the typical "fight" phrases again. I would say to this... noone cares if AmigaOS uses 68k code or somehow descents from AOS3. All OSs descent from OS3 (API-Level) so what do you want to proof with it? In the next moment some of the MorphOS fans hit back that MorphOS is the best in all areas and we are in fighting again. It would be better to accept that all choices are equal and we discuss how we can improve the situation. Or both AOS4 users and MorphOS users are happy to fight till both platforms are finally dead (and that is only a question of time). I am not and I am not interested in this silly arguments!

[OlafS3]

You underestimate how even individuals influence atmosphere (expecially if there is already heated atmosphere between the camps). And to my biggest regret even some of the core developers are participating there.

[OlafS3]

I do not want to defend MorphOS users (I use Aros and 68k) but it is not only the MorphOS camp. I can post a link to a thread on amigaworld with a discussion regarding Timberwolf. Some asked how it can be that a Firefox port is closed source and some of the core developers saw a attack in that, popped and hit back using words that should not be used by representatives of a company. I was shocked reading that (the discussion before was not insulting before). So both sides are wrong.

[OlafS3]

The "proofs" were silly and this kind of behavior noone persuades to buy MorphOS. And besides both camps (MorphOS and AmigaOS are in the "no modern hardware" trap). And both sides keep the battle going on.

For me there is only the choice for working together or disappear on the midrun...

[OlafS3]

I read that all the time that 68k users only play retro games. But when i look in new entries in aminet 68k beats all NGs by far (it is double all other combined). So "inactive" 68k seems not to be. Or how can you explain that?

[OlafS3]

The weak point of you "MorphOS" users/fans is your proud that is at the edge of arrogance. Really have I to look in aminet and send you all the links? Your proud and ego will be the death of your platform...

[OlafS3]

It more reminds me on "Groundhog Day" :-)

[OlafS3]

It is a great number. It is not meaning of course that there are 3000 Icaros User now (and there are other distributions) but it shows the big potential for the platform. And new projects like AEROS or Raspberry support and improving 68k are becoming reality. So I am convinced that there is a real future for Aros now.