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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« on: March 12, 2011, 04:24:47 AM »
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Godzilla jokes are out too?


Godzilla was originally a metaphor for nuclear destruction, so I guess it'd be in bad taste :)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2011, 04:37:07 AM »
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Again, one is fantasy and the violence and destruction are entertaining, the other is a sequence of horrifying natural disasters and potential nuclear catastrophes.

This shit ain't funny guys. I live near the coast and a nuke plant.


That reminds me, any news from the nuclear plant that is having trouble?

Last I read, they were having issues cooling it, due to power loss, but I dont know if anything is confirmed yet.
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 01:09:51 AM »
Well, power production is tricky

Burn fossil fuels and poison the air
Nuclear power which is clean but dangerous
Hydro which is good but requires you live in an area where it is feasible
Solar which is still expensive for the output.


To be fair, nuclear power is generally fine, if you live in the middle of a tectonic plate, ala France
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2011, 01:31:14 AM »
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There are a LOT more power sources than those you just listed. Tons of which are perfectly safe, and tons which have been used (many lost to history) by humans for centuries.

I.E. Those living near large bodies of moving water have been known to use the tides and under water currents as a perpetual machine.


Wouldn't that fall under hydro power ?
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2011, 07:23:45 AM »
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The life expectancy in civilized fossil fuel burning nations goes up in spite of the much hyped poison, the lungs are marvelous filters, and outlast the other organs when not abused, so I call BS on the filthy rich fraudsters behind the green cult, they simply want to tax and regulate the free middle class into oblivion, so their world government faces no resistance. Anybody see Al Gore, or Michael Moore volunteering to shovel the globally warmed snow? They much prefer shovelling cash from throngs of adoring indoctrinated mall rats. I support all alternative energies that don't require up-front taxpayer subsidies, or divert commodity food crops, leading to international chaos and worse.

Your Oregon State University has great designs for very small nuclear power plants,
I just hope somebody has the brains and guts to start building them!


You know when you post on these forums, the men in black can track you, right?
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2011, 07:12:11 PM »
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;) Maybe we can harvest the methane from all those cow farts that Republicans were blaming for Global Warming until they decided to deny climate change totally.

Maybe all the cows stopped farting.
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2011, 07:25:49 PM »
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Nuclear power clean? Someone invented a way to cope with nuclear waste when I was asleep tonight?
 
Just sayin', I know the whole power issue at the moment is damned if you don't, damned if you do...

well, producing it is clean. The waste of course is a concern, that we havent figured out what to do with yet.
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2011, 03:21:15 AM »
Science is not about morality. Its about testing and examining the world.
 
That views can change in the light of evidence is a strength, not a weakness.
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2011, 04:59:20 AM »
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Of course of course. Science is good, but we must never forget eugenics and what that so called sound proof and logical science brought about.


Again, science is not concerned with morality. Thats why we have philosophy.
Is a computer evil? What about a cure for cancer? Irrigation? Modern fertilisers? Reaching the moon?

Morality is irrelevant to the examination of the world.

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Likewise we must never forget the mysteries that are shoved in our face time and time again, I.E. a certain deaf pianist who by the age of three were writing great symphonies, or the American soldier who during world war II was bumped on the head, came to, and was speaking an ancient russian dialect that he never had learned before and had not been used in YEARS. Later he passed back out and awoke again speaking English having no memory of waking up before speaking ancient Russian.

Amusing anecdotes are great, but just because something is not currently explainable,does not mean it is forever unexplainable.

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nothing in mind but their own self preservation, sex, comfort, and food. Devoid of dreams, devoid of mystery, trapped in the 2D mundane.


like what? the men who mapped the genome? figured out how atoms are built? sent us to the moon? created computers and the internet?

Mankind is the most marvelous creatures ever to exist

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 Another thing to consider is that no great inventor or what have you ever came up with his ideas by reading books (the thoughts of other men).


Have you gone off the deep end mate? Virtually everything created builds on the advances made before us. We couldn't have split the atom or mapped the genome or invented flight or any of thethings we have achieved, without drawing on the experiences, theories and tests done by those before us.

Literacy is the single greatest advance made by the human race, allowing knowledge to be preserved, so each generation can build upon it, rather than start from scratch.

Do you think Jay Miner would have had time to create the amiga, if he had to invent electricity first?

And if the theories can be disproven, they can be cast aside and replaced with a new model that better explains the world, and permits new discoveries and wonders

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Now granted you will hear many theories being passed as fact such as the notion that slave built the Pyramids and the like, but really, we don't know. We just know that that was impossible, but it's still being taught as truth. And as for those things even more crazy and confusing and amazing and mysterious than Giza...


I'll take slaves over aliens. I can prove the existence of one,and evidence of the other is gloriously absent.

Nobody thinks it was impossible to build the pyramids. Just requires a great knowledge of math, maybe one of the most fundamental corner stones of science.



You know, im a pretty big fan of yours, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree here mate :)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2011, 05:27:20 AM »
Most people either don't realize how badly they've been sold out in the name of profit, don't want to realize it, or realize it but are helpless to protest it.

Best you can do is to find your tiny corner of the world and defend it as best you can.

edit: the last category are the people who feel they can somehow aspire to be part of the system if they do and say all the right things, and play the game the way its expected to be played. Cargo cult at its finest.
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2011, 08:04:49 PM »
without the scientific method, no amigas ;)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2011, 09:49:51 PM »
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No thats not true amiga was built by jay miner he wasint a scientist might used so there
technogly but was used and perefected by average joe

They did things not yet seen in compter field l bet at time alot so called experts whould
told them chouldint be done at cost point or even at all


Dont get blinded by sciencnce it has done amazing things but not the be all end of life
listen to scientists but make up your own mind

Those poor chaps in those plants got use ever bit comon sence and trick in the book.
Not only to save there own lives but alot of people around the country in long term.


Science is not just a dude in a lab coat. Its the method of systematically studying the world, and testing things out.
There's a million things people needed to do and invent first, before Jay Miner got to work his miracle work.

As far as the reactors, as far as I understand it, by pumping in sea water, they are pretty much writing those reactors off for future use, as it causes heavy corrosion. But if it keeps things under control, I wish them the absolute best. Japan is a small place, and widespread contamination would be a serious concern. They can't just quarantine a 30 mile radius like they did in Russia.
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2011, 11:55:50 PM »
I keep telling our cats to get a job.
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2011, 12:09:51 AM »
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It just occurred to me that one day we might have to compete with something like that.

Genetic engineering is becoming quite sophisticated. What's to prevent some seriously demented genetic engineer from trying to create our replacements in the workplace?

Would those creatures have rights or would they be processions?


The cynic would say that if history is a guide, they'll receive rights as individuals 50 years later.

The optimist would say that we are sufficiently enlightened to grant them immediately.

The practical would go read Uplift again :)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2011, 01:24:24 AM »
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Missed that series of books.
The idea looks grimmer than the plot synopsis of each book would indicate.

100,000 years of indentured servitude? Do they ever discuss why no uplifted species ever revolts against its sponsors?


I havent read them in a long time, so I forget. I seem to recall the story was mainly from the human perspective. I should dig them up again... been without good scifi for a while