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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« on: February 02, 2011, 10:14:13 PM »
Classic every day. Possibly add MorphOS as well, we'll see.
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2011, 11:09:19 PM »
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@Dammy

7million sounds about right, but we have to remember that the vast majority of users in europe bought one as a games machine.

My brother, for example, just got into mod trackers on the PC. When I told him they started out on the Amiga, he was very surprised, I don't think he ever touched his A500 keyboard.

While there where a lot less users in the USA, I think they were more serious.

As for the custom chipset being doomed to fail....well powerVR, 3DFX, Radeon, Nvidia etc, all started out as 'custom' chips for the PC before going mainstream. If it had been updated, and if it had continued selling millions, i'm sure developing a custom chipset would still have been worth it.



"custom chipset" has become a buzzword people like to toss out as part of some sort of explanation why the amiga died, that doesn't rely on Commodore being idiots.
PC graphics chips were "custom" chipsets just the same as the amiga's were.
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2011, 11:19:53 PM »
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It's perfectly true what dammy said... In 1992 and after there was no way in hell Commodore could have kept up with the PC world, mainly because of the entire board being a custom chipset. it was, sadly, even in 1992, a doomed concept(for a PC, gaming consoles to this day remain an entirely custom chipsets all along).
If they went the way of a 68000 based mobo + PC expansion cards, things would have probably turned out pretty differently(strictly performance-wise).


Not disputing that, but AGA and OCS etc are no more "custom" than a voodoo card or a sound blaster. The only difference is that IBM's were cloned and amiga's were not (until today, through FPGAs).
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2011, 11:24:55 PM »
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Now that shit is custom :)
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2011, 11:38:30 PM »
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I agree that it was not the "custom chipsets" in the Amiga that doomed Commodore to bankruptcy.  It was the continued mis-management of Commodore and the lack of vision and money put into development which was needed to keep the Amiga ahead of the competition and lack of marketing which should have educated the growing number of computer users about the advantages the Amiga had in the beginning over all other computers when the A1000 was released.

Although the AmigaOS was elegant and far ahead of all the competition in many ways for a long time, the degree of that lead over competitors was quickly diminished as the Amiga was stagnant or little improved between the release of the A1000 and the release of the A3000 and the improvements introduced with AGA and the A1200/A4000 was far too little, too late.  Even the introduction of the A3000 and AmigaOS2.0 was a disappointment to most Amiga users, who saw it as too little, too late as well.


We had some looong threads about AGA recently, but I must say, I think AGA would have okay if something else was on its way to replace it fairly shortly, if amiga's had been a bit beefier. If the 1200 had shipped with an 030 and even 2 megs of fast RAM, it'd have been a pretty respectable machine in 92, when the competition was still windows 3.1 and trying to do two things at once.

People talk about Doom a lot as the evidence AGA wasn't good enough, but I've had people independently of each other say my 030 runs it faster than their PC's did back in the day.

If only a partial upgrade was coming, I'd feel stronger about a new sound chip, than about the graphics part, to be honest.

Again, this is assuming Commodore actually had money and something else was coming fairly shortly to replace it and provide a bigger step up.


Maybe its time for another "how to make Commodore survive" speculation thread? :)
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2011, 11:54:17 PM »
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Gawd NO... don't do that... :eek:

All you'll end up with is a million different opinions on which OS/Processor & even type of case they should use (there's plenty of that here already)...

Why not a thread on something different for a change, don't ask me what though cos I can't think of one right now but something that doesn't involve which OS is best and why or which type of processor to use, there are plenty of threads here doing that already... :)


Too late! :)

I'll think of something more creative for the weekend. Today, Im enjoying turning 31... I think
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2011, 12:23:42 AM »
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Bugger.... :madashell:

Happy birthday by the way... :)

31 eh... your now on the long slippery slope, it's all downhill from here in four years time you'll be starting to get aches & pains in places you never knew you had places... :)

(Gawd... 31 can't remember that far back... :))


you should remember. It was the same year the romans invaded ;)
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2011, 12:51:45 AM »
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You think you're turning 31, or you think you're enjoying it ?  :)   (rhetorical, silly question used mostly as a procrastination tactic :))
Damn, though wish I was 31 again  :)

Anyway, happy birthday  :)


Im easily confused :)

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2011, 08:43:34 PM »
Imagine that. Commodore advertising product
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2011, 07:00:27 PM »
Did the 65816 have a path forward with faster chips like the 68K ?

(Not being snarky here btw, Im not familiar with the chip in question)
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2011, 06:14:19 AM »
Looks like the "NG" options are about equal, with classics being quite a bit ahead.

UAE on its own is far behind. If you combine it with "other" (presumably the various FPGA options fit here), its about equal with any of the NG options.