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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« on: January 01, 2011, 12:44:51 AM »
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The last time the owners of Amiga made any money would have been, oh I dunno, about 1992.

That doesn't really contradict anything he said.

He's on to something though.

An open system will continue to grow and develop in all sorts of interesting directions. A closed system will survive only as long as its developers make it so.


Its always funny to me though that the microsofties will talk all day long about how apple is "closed off" and how they don't want that.

Apple has an open source version of OS X. Microsoft never dared to do this.

People cry about ipods and iphones being locked down (though I can use my ipod fine on linux) but are apparently fine with 360's and kinects being locked (remember, microsoft threatening legal action when the kinect was being hacked?)


If people somehow think that microsoft is the saviour of open computer standards and apple is somehow the devil, I am inclined to believe they are either ignorant, undereducated or criminally insane.

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Amiga was and is a dirty word to many software houses for this very reason. The ratio I've read is anywhere from 10:1 to 20:1 Pirated:Genuine. It was even happening when the platform was on its last legs and the big names had left, and all we had was the odd bedroom programming team, or small independent programmers publishing on their own or through small publishers.

This was on the last page, but this isn't much different from what PC game developers are facing today. For OS and applications, piracy rates in north america (the lowest  region globally) are estimated at 40%. Games generally estimated at 90%, even in cases like the humble indie bundle, where you could pay as little as a damn dollar.

It has nothing to do with this or that platform. Rather, people as a general rule:
A: Want things for free
B: Feels they are entitled to said things for free, and can make up any number of excuses to do so (trust me, I've used my share)
C: Don't give a shit about the developers
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2011, 06:56:51 AM »
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Be that as it may, the fact is the PS3 is made by a private manufacturer who owns the IP to the hardware, and the software that makes the hardware do things, (or the software that allows programmers to write software that make the hardware do things),  and part of the  purchase contract is that you can use it for it certain things.  I bet Sony has no objection to people writing homebrew or running Linux, if it weren't for the fcat that these activities will be used to do things that deprive Sony and its third party develpers of legitimate income. Not "might be", but WILL BE.


I havent followed it too closely on the interwebs but it seemed that the concerns were that this was an advertised feature that was later retracted.
Thats a bit of a different concern I think.

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Ditto.  Which is why I'm on Sony's side.  I work, I get paid.  Sony's engineers/third party developers work, but they don't deserve to be paid?


Agree completely. Thats why I wised up and stopped.
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2011, 06:20:53 PM »
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I think forcing a closed IP system open is illegal.
 

In the US at least, under the DMCA it most likely is.
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2011, 06:39:22 PM »
Has a decision been reached in that case yet?
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2011, 06:56:09 PM »
Ah nice.
I wonder if this will set a precedent going forward.
Wasn't there a similar ruling on jailbreaking phones recently, or was that an exception granted by library of congress?
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2011, 07:40:53 PM »
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Anyone defending Sony, probably can't remember their previous anti piracy scandle involving rootkit installed on to windows PC from audio CD's, opening the OS to other malware. Sony deserves everything it gets.
 
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Stop buying shitty music
Stop using windows.
 
Huzzah!
 
Corporations screwing with peoples computers will hopefully help people make better choices, or put the corporation out of business. Either way, we are one step ahead.
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2011, 05:02:57 PM »
Im guessing they'll go the microsoft route, and start banning modified (in software or hardware) consoles from the playstation network.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10790835

An older but related story, and I guess where this is leading in most corners of the world: Use the law to strike it down. Next stop: CD ROM burners and blank paper
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 04:20:44 PM »
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What little I've seen of the 360, it's a LOT better designed (as well as implemented.)


Wide spread piracy leading to MS banning modded consoles, and the first generation of 360's coughing and dying on a regular basis?

Im not sure I'd take the 360 as an example of better design ;)
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2011, 10:04:34 PM »
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Okay here's the latest: If you buy a PS3 game you will only be able to install it 5 times before it is junked. Info in this article:

http://www.techeye.net/security/sony-plugs-ps3-root-key-hole-with-blu-ray-serial-keys

I would call it the anti-piracy mutually assured destruction arms race.


The gap between consoles and PC's continue to close
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2011, 01:19:50 AM »
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If it's true then it will kill the second hand market for ps3 games.
Although it can only count if you go online.
 
Rather boring if that is all they could come up with.


A lot of the game industry have been vocal about wanting to kill the second hand market for a long time, as to them, there's zero difference between you torrenting the game or buying it from someone on ebay. With PC gaming, it basically succeeded.