Amiga vs PC

[runequester]

My PC is for work, my amiga is for fun.

[runequester]

there's more to pc's than windows my friends.

[runequester]

oh.  Well, those old windows 95 boxes can handle all that nonsense just fine.  Must be magic.

I mean you can still browse the lolernet with a 486.  It'll be kinda herpyderpy, but it sure does work.

And browsing the web with win 95 and whatever browser was out in 95 will pretty much suck as bad as doing it on an amiga will today, because its mid 90's technology.


These sorts of conversations are amusing because its like saying the T34 was a shit tank, because the T90 is so much better.

[runequester]

Win95 w/ IE works better than the Amiga in my experience.  *shrug*

I imagine every persons experience will differ based on their observations

[runequester]

So about that Atari ST ?

[runequester]

I love that poster, thanks

At least we'd be comparing reasonably comparable technology.

People talking about IE4 or 5 and comparing it to the amiga are doing the usual "lets take stuff made years later and compare it to a computer from 1992"


For edification, this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Internet_Explorer_2.PNG is IE2, which came out in November 1995.
The original version came out a bit earlier that year, according to wikipedia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZixhLSooH8
this gentleman has a video of browsing the web on windows 3.1, using a 486 though using a later browser maybe ?

[runequester]

Ahem, iBrowse was released around 1996. If you want to compare things properly (in a timeframe when amiga machines were still relatively new and on sale), then you can compare AMosaic (released around the end of 93) with either Mosaic itself or Netscape which appeared around the last quarter of 94.

Unable to find any videos of Amosaic at a first glance.

But hey, here's a dude using ibrowse on a 1200 with no processor card

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9s5IsXl8f4&feature=related
Workable it looks like, but pretty gruelling.

[runequester]

Not so. The hardware and software is of a similar vintage - 040 vs 486 MacOS 7.x and Windows 3.x

With regard the browsers, heh, no.

IE4 was released in 1997, IE5 in 2000

Voyager, Aweb and Ibrowse were all still being actively developed within this time frame. None of them came close in terms of capabilities to either IE or Netscape.

IE4 running on Shapeshifter offered a far more useful experience than running any of the contemporary native browsers within that time.

This is a like for like comparison.

Thanks for the clarification. I figured by late 90's the PC market had switched to pentiums more or less completely, so I don't think I've ever seen IE or Netscape on a 486 in person.

and hey, hooray for shapeshifter Knew a guy who used that quite a lot to use app's and even some games that weren't coming out for the amiga once commodore tanked, and it always looked impressive. Heck, sometimes it even looked faster than comparable mac's I dealt with at work, but Im not sure if thats true or not.

[runequester]

It is.

Tbh when I used the CD32 online, of the three browsers, unless I absolutely needed that little extra bit of compatibility that Voyager 3.3 offered me, I stuck with Aweb and switched off image loading and set it to not bother dithering - it just took too long on pages which had a lot of images on.

Is there an amiga version of Lynx ?

[runequester]

Oh yes!

I've been meaning to get a wireless PCMCIA card for my 1200, and I figured Lynx would be the best way to go

Still a bit daunted at the task of setting up TCP/IP and all that

[runequester]

I think at one point there was supposed to be a version of Elinks floating around out there that had been compiled for the Amiga... Gods only know where it resides if its not on Aminet however.



MiamiDX, accept no substitute. Makes light work of networking. I found the Cappa version on Aminet to be the most stable for me, though your mileage may vary

I'll look into it.


On a totally unrelated note but somewhat tangential to this thread... can you bring any of the atari machines online ? Howd they fare ?

[runequester]

Computer stuff all depends on what you do with it.

I use my amiga as much, time wise, as I do my linux PC. I just do different things on them

On the PC, I play a few games (Nexuiz, Steel Panthers WW2 and MBT, Battle for Wesnoth) and browse the web. Also listen to OGG or MP3 files.

On the amiga, I play old games (too many to mention), mess around with Dpaint etc. Listen to MOD files.

Word processing I can do on either without too much fuss.

Been awhile since I posted on Amiga.org.. I do check this site every now and then, but then this thread has been up for a few days, so figured I would throw more into the fire.

As far as the Amiga vs PC argument.. Pointless.  I remember growing up I was a die-hard Amiga fan.  This being as a kid up until I was 17 or 18, when I realized times were switching fast. Now im 24, and I hardly use Amiga anymore. I still have my A1200 in pieces in the closet. Had to replace capacitors that leaked, but managed to get it running.

For what I do, there could be no way I could do all my work on an Amiga.  Even something as simple as signing onto facebook or webcam with my friends and family. Does the Amiga do that?  Sure eventually they could make a client to do such things, but it would be painful.

Maybe I want to play Team Fortress 2 with a few buddies online while we are all on Skype or Ventrillo... I know my Amiga would never do that.

Sure if your comparing an ancient 486 and Windows 3.11, id pick the Amiga up any day, but we are talking for today's standards..  No Amiga programs could ever touch the features/abilities of that on PCs today.  Sure you might be able to do something good or produce something worthwhile on your Amiga, but it will take awhile...

If an Amiga fits your needs, then cool.  Nobody should even be wasting their time to try to convince you otherwise.  I just know your Amiga will not do Flash, Java, or even be able to ever play a 1080P movie.  When I say doing any of them, I mean without conflicts. Even try to play a simple game like Runescape.. Go ahead, go try to load it up on the Amiga and let me know if you're successful.

Let this thread go to rest.  The only reason why I like visiting Amiga.org is because I have a soft spot for the Amiga since I grew up on it as a kid.  Ill definately play a game of Shadow of the Beast, Agony, Benefactor, Deluxe Galaga, Deluxe Pacman, Rise of the Dragon, Willy Beamish, Kings Quest 4, Lemmings, Push-Over, Body Blows Galactic, Second Samaurai, Nitro, Overdrive, or Leander.

Amiga was good for its time no question, but for today? Forget it.

[runequester]

Not to thread hijack, but Nexuiz is a great game! Fun!

Im not particularly great at it, but it always seemed to carry the torch of the likes of Unreal Tournament, setting out to deliberately not be "grey and brown realism!!!". Just fun levels with fun weapons

[runequester]

I wonder if Commodore 64 forums ever have to put up with this crap.

[runequester]

I would say the PC is overdue for a redesign: when Google comes out with its seconds boot will be the beginning of a whole new PC era... so, relic or no, the PC is still using the same design architecture as the 286.

My box boots in 13 or 14 seconds, and shuts down in 2 or 3.
WIth SSD's, its possible to get ubuntu up and running in 5 seconds.