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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2010, 02:07:32 AM »
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This is what I think as well.  Heck- I even liked System 7 back in the day.  Most people don't need anything more than a Web interface with a few games to tide them over on the bus, plane, toilet, etc.  With Google Docs you can do easily 80-90 percent of your word processing needs, and then take them to kinkos to print or send them to internet capable printer.  All it has to do is stream A/V content, play A/V content locally stored, and update twitter/faceyspace/etc and its a win.


so basically an amped up cell phone that you'd connect to a monitor if need be :)
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2010, 09:20:10 PM »
Everyone is convinced that only one option is the REAL amiga. It's just that nobody agrees which option that is
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2010, 09:52:54 PM »
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If you make a straight comparison on the following key areas...
 
Performance
Features
Amiga compatibility
Supported HW platforms (Price, Performance, "Bang for the Buck")
 
...you will see what I'm talking about. The first point, "performance", was covered in great detail by obligement.free.fr some time ago. Maybe it's time we compile detailed comparison charts for the other key areas as well? Could be done quite easily, and maybe that will help people as yourself to understand its redundancy...

and compare 3.x, 4.x, morph or aros to any "mainstream" OS whether win 7, 'nix, bsd or os x, and they all lose out in every possible regard as well.
 
So nyeh. Who cares ? Nobody (hopefully) is kidding themselves that anything amiga is remotely relevant today. We do it because its a fun hobby to tinker with.
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2010, 11:07:50 PM »
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If what you are looking for is a *miga OS, then the non-*miga OS's aren't the slightest relevant.
 
 
 
Hey, I'm not the one having delusion of grandeur here, so maybe you should direct that to some other guys? (A great deal can be found at the sites amigaworld.net and amigans.net)
 
To me, this is purely a Hobby thing. What I want is the *miga OS with the best features, best performance, best Amiga compatibility at the best priced and best bang-for-the-buck ratio hardware. I want the best thing available within the *miga boundaries. Then it's a fun hobby to tinker with.
 
I *don't* want *less* features, *poorer* performance, *worse* Amiga compatibility, running on some 2007 level hardware costing about €1800-€2000. That is *less fun*, at a price range *totally out of reach*.

nah, I was kinda generalizing my response. Didn't mean to single you out mate. You seem to be pretty level headed about things.
 
I think everybody wants the same things ultimately, though I'll toss in the caveat that I want it to be on new hardware. Doesn't have to be super powerful, but I want new, rather than recycled/second hand.
 
Sometimes I wonder if they wouldn't be better off aiming at ARM rather than powerPC. Seems there's a lot of pretty cheap chips that can be had there, with decent power-for-cost.
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2010, 11:43:36 PM »
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The last thing we need is ARM motherboards running OS4. G5 is fine, only the price is not. Why waste time porting to trumped up controller board CPUs totally unsuitable for top-end hardware?
 
The only two modern CPU options are IBM CELL/Xenon (for a semblance of PPC compatibility) or x86 and a reference design system with complete rewrite of OS4. Like it or lump it those are the only two modern CPU families worth a damn for 'new' hardware designs costing 4 figure sums.
 
The first thing the x1000 designers should have done is contact IBM to discuss their fantastic range of PPC compatible modern CPUs ;)

well, we're not talking about top-end hardware. The various *miga (is that the new term? I like it) options all run on pretty modest hardware.
The benefit of ARM would be small designs which could give us all sorts of interesting compact machines, very low cost and easy accesibility.
 
x86 would be great too, but then, might as well just pour the development time and money into AROS to amp that up more.
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2010, 01:03:31 AM »
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Which would be almost entirely outweighed by the fact you'd still be dealing with very small production runs.
 

You are probably right.
 
 
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Now there is the voice of reason.

All things considered, AROS may well be the sanest way forward.
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2010, 01:51:51 AM »
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Hate to break this to you, but post newbus macs and the A1 and follow-on systems follow more or less the same basic architecture as a modern PC, the only difference with them is the CPU.
 
If you want those "special properties" with a modern twist your options are Minimig, CloneA and Natami.

Is CloneA actually progressing at all these days ?
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2010, 02:38:19 AM »
Isn't OWB the same browser used for Morph ?
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2010, 02:59:35 AM »
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Well, i thought this was what janus uae was based on. Anyway, same thing. This attempt to integrate UAE transparently seems like a very difficult task, and i doubt it will ever reach the level of integration MorphOS or OS4 can achieve.

Any particular reason this would be the case? PowerPC isn't any closer to Turrican 2 than x86 is.
 
 
 
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The name and the engine (WebKit) are the same, but that's it. The UI and features of OWB are totally different on AROS, MorphOS and OS4, some versions being more advanced than others. See http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/owb-morphos-1.8.readme feature list: many of the listed features aren't available in the AROS or OS4 versions.
interesting stuff, thank you
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2010, 05:16:39 AM »
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Funny how no matter what, greed, subversion and guile always seem to play into the "future" (however pathetic that may be) of the Amiga......


:laughing:



So all the more reason to support AROS :)
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2010, 05:36:00 PM »
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@ Runequester,

OT, but if you're ever around Burgerville, make sure you have a Tillamook for me. ;)


there's one not too far from my workplace :)
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2010, 06:03:20 PM »
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They're talking about the direction the Nyx AAA testbed was leading to. And if you read up on Haynie he states quite clearly on several occasions that AmigaOS was end of life. Commodore were planning on moving to WindowsNT.


The outcry would have been epic :)
 

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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2010, 07:55:27 AM »
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Quoted for +a billion awesome.


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Re: Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2010, 11:16:36 PM »
So this went from arguing about the equipment to arguing about OS4 vs MorphOS to arguing about forum vs forum flamewars.
 
This makes windows/linux discussions look mature and well reasoned.