Windows is buggy and slow lets buy a Mac

[runequester]

Nobody outside the MMO circles gives a shit about PC gaming anymore. Sad but true. The developers are making their money off console games. How many PC exclusives did we get in 2009 ? How many games never showed up on PC at all ?

Most people just buy an xbox instead.


People have gotten convinced that they need 4 gig's of RAM to browse the internet and write letters to grandma. In 2 years when the computer is bogged down by malware, they'll be convinced they need to get a new machine with twice the system requirements of windows 7, and they'll use it for the exact same things people use PC's for now:

Write stuff, look at porn, listen to music.

[runequester]

The same thing to apple computers but more expensive than a normal pc but hei! they are cool! cool for a girls bedroom (installed windows xp/7 on it)

I hate mac's too

But I'll concede they run better than windows machines these days.

But then, Im one of those linux zealots.

[runequester]

Id have quoted, but amiga.org has the worst layout for responding to particular posts ever. cant for the life of me find how to quote, or how to respond to a particular post. Anyway...

Nobody cares about pc gaming anymore ?  What drugs are you on, and can I have the number to your dealer please ?  Windows gets just as many exclusives as consoles (granted a lot are fps games), and the majority of multiplatform games also get a Windows version, which is often the best version (Street Fighter IV, Assassins Creed, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Saints Row2 to name just a few). Im currently doing a 3 year course at uni based around game development and the majority of people there are gamers, and thier machine of choice is Windows. Most who have consoles also have a WIndows system. There's actually no-one in my classes who chose consoles for gaming over Windows (although I expect this doesn't accurately reflect the rest of the world being that my classmates are interested in the creative side of gaming, where not everyone into gaming is).
Being that this is a forum, anything positive about a format that someone doesnt like will probably be put down to the person saying something positive to fanboy-ism. To beat likely offenders to the punch here I should state that Im in no way, shape or form a Windows fan (nor do I dislike it). I just like to use the right tool for the right job, and there's some things Windows does better than any other system, so I'll use it for situations where that's the case.

http://www.pcvsconsole.com/news.php?nid=3403

PC games generated revenue in 2009 of 538 million.
Total game software industry (console, pc and portable) revenue of 10.5 billion dollars.
PC gaming thus accounts for some 5% of the gaming industry

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167645

Crytek stating that console titles sell 4-5 times as much as PC titles do.
They also mention Crysis selling over 1 million copies as of February 1st 2008. This was after 4 months on the market.

By comparison:
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2010/01/16/system-and-game-sales-for-december-2009-in-the-usa.htm
The new mario game sold 2.8 million in one month.


Trust me. Im no bigger a fan of this than anyone here. The only console I own is an old PS2 and we use it more as a DVD player than for games anymore, but the writing is on the wall.

[runequester]

@runequestor

Sure, but piracy plays a huge part in this, and those figures represent boxed products, which in this day and age is only a modest chunk of the money gaming makes. PC gaming still represents the largest percentage of money spent in the gaming industry due in no small way to online games.

The article doesn't mention only box product as far as I can tell, but overall revenue from sale of software, so propably includes xbox live stuff, steam etc.

Online revenue is being derived from console gaming as well though.

http://www.dfcint.com/game_article/mar06article.html
This is the most recent I can find, giving online revenue (overall) as expected to hit 6.8 billion dollars in 2011
A bit over 2/3rds of that is from PC games (and over half of that are from MMO's)

In other words.. the entire projected revenue from ALL online gaming (PC AND Console) is about two thirds the revenue from console software sales.

The PC part of the online revenue (lets round up and say 5 billion) is about half of what the console industry generated in software sales, without counting their online revenue.

[runequester]

Hi,

@Fanscale,

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Almost every PC power user I know plays games, and according to MaximumPC (sure hope I can say this) when they were asked if PC gamming was dying, they stated "Just wait there are tons of new high powered graphic and sound games comming out for the PC this year, the consoles will look cheap compared to the new high powered stuff comming out for the PC".

And yet, the machine that sells the most games is the lowly wii and DS, with crap graphics.

For most normal users, "pc game" means little silly flash games. The developers have mostly seen the writing on the wall. Corporations don't care about anecdotal evidence. They care about who buys the product. Why does it take a (for the time) cutting edge game like Crysis 4 months to sell a million copies, when a Mario game on a glorified gamecube can do exceed 2 million in its first month?

PC gaming isn't dead, but I think it'll move more and more to smaller developers and with more of a focus on alternative titles. That's not a bad thing in itself, but deluding yourself into thinking the PC rules the gaming world is not helping.


@Fishy_fiz

Thanks for that link. Always better to have current numbers. Do note though that the article gives 6 billion revenue for US and Europe combined, and 11 billion worldwide

The original article I posted was US numbers only. So PC online revenue is definately increasing (and in the future, this will become more and more so I think) but even including that, PC's are only generating half the revenue of the console market in the US.

[runequester]

Hi,

@Hell Labs,


Only to MAC users,

I just can't see buying over priced computers, and software that regulates on how you use your equipment. The Amiga computer and OS where open, and the PC computer is really open but windows does have some regulation, but does allow you to play with the OS a lot.

One of the best computers for playing with was the C64, still have one and it is just about as amazing as the Amiga.

Sorry I want freedom with my computers.

smerf

if there's one idea I wish I could go back in time and wipe out from the history of computing, its "Software as rental". Limited number of installs, registering the OS etc. Feh.

[runequester]

Hi,

@dreamcast270mhz

"I like the fact that with apple, you can remove safari altogether."

You have a point there, I tried Safari and removed it from my PC altogether also.

WOW!!!

I find the command line interface a very usable feature, I don't like using computers without it. The CLI in a multi task environment is like using gold, I liked it on the Amiga, and I like it in Linux and also on the PC. Since you brought it up, this is one of the features or lack of that I do not like a MAC. Once again it that old Apple saying, "Make it simple to use"

smerf

Im in agreement that I like having a proper CLI, but er... OS X has a pretty solid one dude