Is emulation based x86 machines in Amiga cases really a no no? or......

[Thorham]

So what you are saying is that a SAM with OS4 is more Amiga than an x86 machine running something else?

Why would that be true? Neither are Amigas.

Define Amiga hardware please and don't give me "custom chips" and all that.

Sorry, 'custom chips' and Amiga go hand in hand. Amiga hardware: OCS/ECS/AGA+680x0. Basically the hardware from back in the day: A500/A600/A1000/A1200/A2000/A3000/A4000 (and some I  missed) are Amigas.

[Thorham]

if i where a rich venture capitalist..

1) i would buy Commodore and CBM assosiated brands and patents, Amiga inc, Hyperion, and those dudes making the A1x1000? and anyone else involved, i would then reFORM Commodore Business Machines as it was, i would then go to West chester and kick out QVC and take back Commodore HQ..

2) acquire key personel involved in development of the original amiga chipset and set down a roadmap to developing a new amiga product line. .

3) A new Amiga would have a full chipset that is fully backwards compatible with older hardware, based upon the AGA chipset, (or very minimal emulation) the new chipset will not only what we expect out of diplay hardware of today but incorporate full blown GPU that supports the very latest open GL standards, the main cpu will be either COLDFIRE or PPC (probabily the latter) and multicore, also a 68k cpu for backwards compitibilty and also serve as an instruction set for the powerpc when the amiga is first switched on (copied to ppc l1/l2 cache) have 2 gb chip ram and 2gb fast have wifi/ethernet and usb3.0 connectivity, Bluray rom drive and other expandibility. the whole thing designed to run with discreet fanless cooling except for big box versions... and run 0S 4

4) the Amiga released in 3 versions a) a500/a1200 style wedge.. b) small tower workstation, c) big box tower/desktop with mass Zorro 4 connectivity (or pci express).. all with same base capabilities, the wedge version has bdrom drive inplace of floppy and connects to any tv via dvi or hdmi

the thing is there is a big hole in the personal computer market for a machine like this and windows boxes do not fill this void.. infact most people ditching them in favor of laptops to get on face book these days and an x86 emulation machine no one would buy, thats why amiga needs to go back to its roots..

on the "new" amiga platform games could be coded in 3 ways, a) opengl compiled for easy porting from and to console platforms, b) amiga api (warp3d) amiga unique api, or c) CTM close to metal like the original amiga line the would unlock the full potential of the amiga chipset and as they are all the same it would be ultimatley the way games are coded, the games market would boom again (im fed up of call of duty fps shooter clones) wheres the proper amiga games we all loved? could be remade

not only that, the amiga could bring back HOMEBREW programming (amos), DTV and 3d CGI imaging and movie SFX, i would like to see lightwave 10 on the new amiga.. sound and music generation and all the other things that started out on AMIGA... ultimatley tho i think the games market would save the AMIGA, consoles are for casual gamers only (i hardly play on my ps3, no decent games) pc has only crap ports of the same console games and game shops no longer stock pc games now because of this..

That would only cause you to loose a lot of money, because the Amiga market is just too small. Most people don't care and just want a computer for everyday, bog standard computing needs. Then there are the high end gamers with high end machines. These guys already have what they need.

[Thorham]

Not in my view. A SAM with OS4 is an Amiga.

I find that quite insulting to what Amiga really is

And it's not 1985 anymore.

Indeed!

It runs OS4 then it's an Amiga, sorry it doesn't matter how you paint it.

So, a SAM emulator running on a peecee will magically transform that peecee into an Amiga?

[Thorham]

>>And it's not 1985 anymore. Indeed!

Exactly, so people can't carry on saying custom chips, custom chips with OS3.1

What I mean is that I don't see why people have to keep assigning the name Amiga to machines which are not Amigas.

>>So, a SAM emulator running on a peecee will magically transform that peecee into an Amiga?

No if you read my posts carefully I haven't said that, read all my posts.

If you said this, then you implied it:

It runs OS4 then it's an Amiga, sorry it doesn't matter how you paint it.

My Minimig is an Amiga.

No, it's an FPGA computer.

So a motherboard with PPC (which the real Amiga had by the way) running AmigaOS is not an Amiga? Really?

Of course it's not. Just like a Draco isn't an Amiga, but a 680x0 AmigaOs platform. You can ask yourself, if you run a 680x0 MacOS on the Amiga, will your Amiga become a Mac?

You can't make an Amiga, in the same way you can't make a Ford Fusion.

Yes, you can, because you can reverse engineer the chipset, and do an exact copy. Very pricey, but technically entirely possible. Same goes for a Ford Fusion.

I sometimes wonder when people say that a computer running AmigaOS4 is not really an Amiga.

Because that would mean that, for example, a SAM emulator running AmigaOS4, would transform the peecee it's running on into an Amiga, and that is just none sense.

Amiga is defined by the hardware, and not the OS. If I run some sort of 680x0 Amiga port of a linux, then the machine is still an Amiga. In fact, it doesn't matter what a computer runs at all, it's still the same hardware.

Why do we need the primitive (by todays standards) Amiga custom chips to call the computer an Amiga?

Because that's what Amigas are: Computers from the past, and some people can't seem to get over that fact, and they have to keep assigning the name Amiga to computers that aren't Amigas.

[Thorham]

The last Amigas were made by Escom, and apparently there are people who can't accept this, which is not relevant of course. They can believe what ever they want to believe, but it doesn't change what Amigas are.

[Thorham]

And last PC's had 286 cpus with ISA slots for expansions and 640k base memory and run DOS.

PC just means Personal Computer, and they never stopped making those Oh, wait, you mean IBM Compatibles? Yeah, they stopped making those, right :lol:

And I really don't care anymore. If people want to call everything Amiga, then it's their good right, and seeing how stubborn they are I'm going to stop RIGHT HERE

[Thorham]

When is this crap about non-Amigas going to end? Oh, wait, I know: Never