Does Linux have an Amiga feel?

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Unix. Linux was designed by a bunch of geeks that speak an entirely new, difficult language

Which I believe would be a fair description of the guys who designed the Amiga.
And a lot of other tech out there..

For me, there are some definite and obvious similarities...

The way that the GUI and the shell complement each other was something I liked about Linux.
You got your best use out of the system when you understood both and where each was valuable.
The goal of the GUI isn't to replace the shell, it's just to do what makes sense in a GUI.

Scripting is not your enemy...
With Windows, you script when you have to...  When I write scripts in Windows, people are always talking about what GUI tools we can look at to eventually "fix" that.  In Windows there is (or was, power shell is helping a bit here) a feeling that if you have to use a script, it's because something isn't finished.

In AmigaDOS and Linux, you use the tool that most makes sense...

Are they the same, no...
Are there some similarities, of course...

I think that's why I preferred Windows to the early Mac OS.
At least Windows has DOS and config files and things to tweak.

The Macs goal seemed to be that you, as a user, should NEVER see that.
I'm not saying that's bad, there's a lot that makes sense in that; but it's not what appeals to me...

So jumping from Amiga to Linux was fairly easy for me..

And the early versions of X/Windows were easily as (more?) painful as the early versions of Workbench..  ;-) :-)

Of course, there is a big difference..
When I first started using the Amiga, I believed (still do) that it was the best OS out there at the time.  It had the best combination of power and ease of use and configuration and flexibility...
I felt that this was something that was better than anything out there...

I love Linux, and it's great at certain things, but I can't honestly say that I always think it's better than anything else out there...

When I set up my first filtering WEB proxy on Slackware (back when it was standard to install Linux from floppies.. ;-), it was cost effective and it worked.  But when there was budget for another product (BESS?  Can't remember, it's been awhile), we did that..

So, an Amiga feel?  In some ways..  Yes.. But it's not totally the same..
For me..

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This perfectly describes AmigaOS. It is absolutly wrong regarding any *nix variant!

You aren't using Unix variants the same way I am then...

One of the most brain dead concepts is the separation (or read: non-integration) of user interfaces (GUI, command line) in those *nix stuff.

That's not what I was talking about..
It's kind of, sort of, in a way, maybe a related thought, but twisted..

I said they complemented each other...
That doesn't mean that they are integrated....  They aren't and I'd never say that.  Been using Unix and Linux too long not to know that..  

Way to jump to a conclusion tho.. ;-)

.. Not that easy nowadays,

Yes, it still is...

Wow.. People seem to have an issue with "similar" and "the same."

Now, whether Carl and the guys were inspired at all by some of the Unix variants at the time, not sure..  (Maybe not given Carl's early HP centric background)

Personally, it doesn't matter to me if it was "inspired by" Unix in any way or not.   The question was about a "feel," not about actual genealogy of the OS.  ;-)

To me, there was that feel.  To others, not so much...

That's the thing about a "feel," it's not about right or wrong.  If someone feels something is similar, then it feels similar to them.

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Everything talked about here is yesterday's news.

Hmmm..   Imagine that...

:laugh1:

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All this talk of IBM Big Iron has triggered off latent memories of AS/400 development in the late-90's/early-00's.  

"Latent" memories... Hmmmm..


OK, they call it the System i now, but it'll always be an AS/400 to me.. ;-)

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(as an aside on the Unixy side, I preferred Apollo Workstations... ;-)

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Plenty of systems have given me a challenge. Only Linux has ever made me want to slit my wrists.

Don't feel bad..
Computers are confusing..  But keep at it...  You'll get it...  ;-)  :roflmao:

I've been using computers for quite a while also...
No system has ever gotten me that frustrated...
Every system has it's moments / quirks..

But they are all pretty similar, even if they don't admit it...  ;-)

I find that most of the people I work with who can't stand a particular system had a bad experience with that system early on, and then they just "shut down" for that system.
No amount of tweaks or fixes or improvements will matter..  They've decided, and that's OK.  There are plenty of options...

I have systems I prefer.. I have systems I'm not a huge fan of...  
But, at the end of the day, they are all computers..  Even the midrange systems...  ;-)
(I remember getting our AS400 (at the time) admin mad at a meeting when we were discussing importance of systems and I told him that they were all important, and his AS400 was just another node on my network.. ;-)

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You need virus protection on Linux, there just isn't any.

Yes there are..  Several options in fact..
When I was doing Linux work at our datacenter, we installed and configured ClamAV on all of our servers for scheduled scans...
Need to watch out for those Windows viruses when they plop onto a Linux server.. ;-)
(and we needed to watch out for bad linux programs too (rootkits mostly it seems), they are out there...)

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Anti-virus software is just snake-oil.

Yes and no...

You have to look at it politically also..
If you get hit by a virus/trojan and you are fully patched (which happens) AND you don't have AV installed, try telling your management or business partners that AV is useless 99% of the time and is just bad for performance...

That 1% can get you in the paper..  ;-)

I'm not saying it's a good idea or not..  Just something to consider...
We were hit by a zero day and made the paper..  
Luckily, we were patched and running AV.
Having AV didn't stop the trojan, but it did make the meetings about it much easier.. ;-)

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Which kinds of operating systems are likely to get "prompt" security patches? Open Source ones or Closed Source ones coming from a single vendor?

Historically, they both do well, although I've found the closed source ones seem to be a bit better for quick turnaround...

I'm a big fan of open source, but depending on your vendor, I've found some of the closed source AV vendors are generally really quick..

When it comes to patching apps, it gets trickier...  If you use a server vendor for Opensource (like a SuSE or ?), your turnaround for patched apps (like Apache) is generally much slower as they have to test/vet the patch internally...
If you need QUICK turnaround for those (i.e. you have a publice facing Apache reverse proxy), you will probably want to build that from source, so you can deploy security patches quicker...

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And this attitude would be Why People Do Not Like the Linux User Culture.

Jackass.

How in the world did you miss the smiley and the ROTFL animation?

How?  Really???
In the VERY NEXT SENTENCE, I said "I've been using computers for quite a while also..." stating that I realize you have experience..  
Perhaps you need to switch to decaf?    ( <----- That's a joke btw!!!)

I spent about eight years making multiple attempts to get into Linux. .....
But no, you go ahead and keep insisting that I just haven't tried.

I said "most people". (and I never said I thought you hadn't tried)  That doesn't necessarily mean you...  As I was obviously (I thought) joking in the part above, I was just making a comment about some general experiences I have had...

Perhaps you are getting too invested in this thread..
As I said, there are lots of choices for people, which is a good thing, as some people don't like some tools...  That should be fine..

I'm not a Linux zealot.  I like things about Linux and have used it for a long time.
But I can say the same thing about Microsoft, Mac, various Unix releases, OS/400, Cisco IOS, etc...

I have no problems seeing issues with Linux.  It has problems.  As do all OSes.

Have a good one...

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Believe me, though, from a developer's point of view, different OSes are completely different. You've got different kernels, different multitasking paradigms, different methods of UI, all sorts of things..

Oh, come on now!!!

We ALL know that Java fixed all that...

..

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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(Doesn't help that plenty of actual zealots use "ha ha, just kidding! (You idiot!)" fake-geniality as a twee affectation.)

Oh man, I hate that...  You're right about that..

Yep, not my intention...

While I might not agree with some specifics, there's respect for your perspective...

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