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Re: amibay broken again?
« on: June 18, 2012, 10:12:16 PM »
Well, I'm not convinced this is totally planned maintenance..
My guess, since it's still down, is that the maintenance was supposed to be really quick and something went wrong..

Hopefully there are backups..  ;-)

I can't tell you how many "quick changes" end up taking much longer.
And people don't generally want to redirect to a "down" page because they are working on it and it will be up shortly!!!
(I've seen that shortly take a long time...  )

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 06:13:44 PM »
Quote from: ipod_sock;696980
Anyways, anyone hear anything about when it back up? :(
Nothing specific yet..
From what I hear, the planned upgrade involved taking Apache from 1.3 to 2.x (among other things), and that broke things (I would expect it to)..

Last I heard, the Amibay admins have identified what they believe is the issue with Apache  and notified the hosting company...

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2012, 06:21:49 PM »
Quote from: Terse;697178
I once posted an old Apple II photo in their photo forum and said I’d gotten it for $200 at a thrift store. The post was removed because it contained a dollar amount in the body of the text.
That would get the price removed, that's for sure.
They are very cautious about "price driving" types of information.

Quote from: Terse;697178
Some threads above and below it also contained dollar amounts, but were not touched.
Those should have been also.
They are very complete at removing prices for items that might be sold on amibay.
I'm surprised they missed any..  It's really infrequent that they don't delete that info.  ;-)

Quote from: Terse;697178
Amibay’s moderators all appear to interpret their forum rules differently or randomly.
I think some of that might be related to the fact that there are numerous moderators.
I've seen some forums where moderators have posted, and then another moderator will "edit" something that the first mod didn't get.
Missed?  Different interpretations?  Both...

Quote from: Terse;697178
I appreciate the strict moderation, but the poorly trained moderators make that site too unpleasant to use.
I'm sure they will dock them in what they pay them for those errors.. ;-)
None of these mods are being paid.

Quote from: Terse;697178
By the way, if I posted this on Amibay, it would certainly get me banned.
Not for a first infraction, but it would get edited/removed and you'd be warned...

;-)

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(IMHO, I'm not a mod there...)
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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2012, 07:01:30 PM »
Quote from: Terse;697193
Sounds like the underlying issue is a set of rules either too complex or too different from other forums for posters or moderators to internalize.
They are complicated.  But, as it's a trading site, I am OK with that..  I expect it to be very different..
Quote from: Terse;697193
Glad you have memorized the rules so you can rebut me point by point.
You're welcome..
..  Oh, that was an insult..  HA!!  Funny!!  :D
Seriously, I've been a member there (and on lots of other Amiga sites) for a long time, so I'm fairly familiar with the rules.
But when I first joined, I got some things wrong..
I got some PMs..  It is a different site rule-wise..

Quote from: Terse;697193
But when you can't feel out the rules by reading the tone of other posts, something is wrong with the forum.
Yes and no..
It's not perfect..  There are issues..
There's lots of talk about it all the time, and they tweak the rules from time to time to try to improve it..

They have some "different" rules that take some getting used to..
You can't always judge by the tone of other messages, unless you read ALL the other messages, which isn't realistic.
Also, they strongly encourage people to read (and really read) the rules, but that's not realistic either (I know I didn't read them thoroughly initially).

So, you end up with encouraging reading the rules, and "reminders" about it when you miss it..
Once you get it, it's pretty easy to follow.

It's not for everyone, and that's OK...  Not all sites are for all people..
Doesn't mean the site is bad..  Just is what it is..

Have a good one..

desiv

p.s.  Back on topic...
I'm surprised they are still down..  Must be a serious compatibility issue, or the hosting site really isn't familiar with Apache 2.x....
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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2012, 09:07:14 PM »
Quote from: broken;697230
I have heard someone say they believed .

Oh, you heard someone say they believed it???

Well, there we go..  :roflmao:

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2012, 09:49:22 PM »
Quote from: haywirepc;697233
All this being said I don't think you can decide what people can do with what they own...

True, but what Amibay is saying is that if you want to do that, don't be a member of Amibay....
You can still do that elsewhere..  Buy anywhere, sell anywhere..
Just not on Amibay.

It's one of numerous places where people can buy/sell.
I really like it, and it's worth the restrictions for me...

If it's not for you (in general, not you specifically HW), then it's OK and don't use the site.
But it's not a bad site because of it...

Amiga.org isn't a bad site because it's very open in the way they moderate.  It's just what defines the site..

That should be OK...

I'm not saying Amibay is great or always fair or anything..
I'm just saying it's not bad.  It's just what Amibay is.  If it's not for you, then that's OK.

And remember..  There are two sides to every story.

And more importantly..

They are still down...  :(  
I wonder if they will have to install the software clean onto Apache 2.x and import the databases and configs..  that could be painful???

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p.s.  Oh, and for all of my talking about what Amibay is saying, it's all BS.. ;-)  I don't speak for Amibay..  I'm not a mod.  I'm not a hugely active trader..  I just like the site and can't keep from voicing my opinion about many many things.  I'm sure they would MUCH rather I not.  ;-)
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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2012, 12:24:19 AM »
Quote from: lopos;697254
OOH, I heard that Aliens selling spare parts on Amibay.

How dare you!!!

Aliens!!

They are "terrestrially challenged"!!

:laugh1:

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2012, 05:40:29 PM »
Thanx for the update..
Wow..

(A "stable bug"???  What a great way of describing it..  ;-)  :-) :-) :-)
Good luck with moving to a better host.. ;-)

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2012, 07:12:12 PM »
Quote from: mechy;697389
When i pointed out that the idiot who suggested twisting capacitors off amiga motherboards was causing inexperienced people to rip the pads off boards and doing harm. When i told the mods this instead of taking the message down their solution was to tell me to write a better guide,meanwhile leaving this damaging info up.. UH HELLO?:furious:

There are lots of different opinions on teh interwebs.
I remember that thread and people brought up that it could be risky.

The person posting (doing this from memory, since they are still down) originally was maintaining that pulling straight up was bad and could damage pads, but twisting wouldn't for some reason...
I don't remember all the reasoning behind it.  It sounded risky to me, but it was his opinion.
He's apparently done that a lot and not had a problem.

He posted his belief.  People posted replies that they weren't so sure...
He was (IIRC) a working electronics tech (which doesn't mean he's right, but..).

That's the internet.
I read that thread and decided not to try that.  

They suggested you write your own guide..  That sounded like a good recommendation..

Quote from: mechy;697389
They say silly things like EVIL BAY and yet they have bay in their name.
They?  All of them?  ;-)
I'm know some people there say that..  I like to say e-bait.  :-)  Yes, it's silly..  I don't think anyone takes me seriously, and I shop more on e-bait than I do on Amibay..  ;-)

As for the mods, they don't like people talking about e-bay at all...
They would prefer it not come up, and get frustrated when their users rant about it..

Sounds like you would like Amibay to be much more restrictive in their moderation...  Interesting, most people who don't like Amibay seem to think they do too much moderation..

Quote from: mechy;697389
Its delusional to think amibay is any safer than any other method of buying and selling/
Yes and no..
It can be safer, if you know the person selling; and frequently you do.  It's a smaller area.
On e-bay, you have to rely on the ratings system.

That being said, especially with new sellers, there is risk; and they remind people to be careful.  
To me, it's more about keeping the Amiga/retro equipment in the community.  I bought my 8M RAM card for $xx on Amibay.  A good deal I think..  Then I got an ACA..  I sold the 8M to someone on Amibay who needed one for less than I paid.  I felt good about helping out someone that way.  I could try to do that on e-bay, but I think I'm more likely to get it into the hands of someone who needs it (rather than a re-seller) at a good price that way.  I could be wrong, but that's the way I feel about it.


Quote from: mechy;697389
It is basically the UK "good old boy network" as far as i can tell.

Well, as long as your thoughts are based on facts and not some geographical bias, we're all good.  ;-)

As I've said, Amibay is an option.  It's not perfect.  It's not for everyone.  It's not for you.  That's OK..  But it's not a bad site..
It just is what it is..
As is e-bay and Amiga.org and.. etc..

IMHO

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2012, 08:25:23 PM »
Quote from: mechy;697404
No, there has been a correct way to replace surface mount caps on electronics since they were invented,
Which is your opinion.
As I said, it's also mine.  I didn't agree with it.
It's not his..
Everyone with an opinion about what is right (myself included) is sure the other people are wrong..

Quote from: mechy;697404
Are you even paying attention? I don't have time, i've been busy fixing boards that people messed up following this guys advice.
I didn't see where you said you fixed boards that you knew were damaged because someone twisted.  I must have missed that, sorry..
I saw that you said his advice was causing that, but I wasn't sure if that was direct evidence, or not.
I can see someone reading his post, but pulling and not twisting and breaking it and saying they followed his post and it broke.
That being said, I can also see it being bad advice.  I didn't like it myself.
I'm glad there were people like you who posted their opinion on it.

Quote from: mechy;697404
Typical hypocrites.. They don't mind using paypal(a division of ebay).
So if you use paypal, that means you have to like e-bay because they own them?  Interesting..

Quote from: mechy;697404
That is another thing, i see most the users there abuse paypal by sending everything as "GIFT" so avoid all fee's.
I don't think its "most" users, but I agree...
Amibay does not recommend doing that, and have warned users of the risks, but they don't prevent people from doing that.
I personally hate that and won't use paypal gift.

Quote from: mechy;697404
If that is the conclusion you drew,then you are wrong. taking down bad,damaging info is not over moderation, it is common sense.Asking the person who posted it to take it down didn't work.
I didn't say it was overmoderation.  I said it was more restrictive in moderation.
I'm not one of the people who feels Amibay is overly restrictive.

Quote from: mechy;697404
HUH? i know people who have bought items from amibay here in the usa as well as canada and other countries...small group?
Compared to e-bay?  Of course it is..  Small doesn't imply geographically close..  It could just be number of members.

Quote from: mechy;697404
it is NO safer. As a matter of fact i know a few people who have gotten broken hardware only for the amibay member to disappear. No different to what can happen on ebay. Why do you keep pushing this farce that it is safer.

Once again, I do NOT use Amibay because it is supposedly safer.
That said, buying from a smaller (not necessarily geographically) group can be safer..
Now, there's an important word there..  "safer"
safer does NOT equal safe.

I never said it was safe.
Buying has inherent risks.  

Quote from: mechy;697404
I just call it like i see it. You guys perpetuate this false "amibay is safer" thing.
You guys?  
It's not black or white.  Not everyone on Amibay thinks the same way, just like not everyone on amiga.org thinks the same way.

And once again, safer does not equal safe.  No one (that I have seen) is saying there aren't any risks...

I have nothing against you.
I am glad you sell the products you sell and have heard only good things.
All I am saying is that Amibay is not bad just because it's not for you.

desiv
p.s.  I'm not saying Amibay is safe...  ;-)  I do think it's marginally safer, but I still tell people to always use paypal and never use paypal gift.  And I use e-bay and other services too....
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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2012, 09:20:28 PM »
Quote from: Terse;697420
I was being completely sincere in my earlier post.

No names..
Unfortunate that you were afraid you'd be banned.
In my opinion (which many disagree with, and sometimes, properly :-), PMing to the mods about concerns won't get you banned..

It might not get you the answer you want, but it won't get you banned.

I've had some good discussions with the MODs there when I have concerns.
Yes, I don't always agree with them.. ;-)

We have had frequent PM discussions.
I always think they've heard me...
They don't generally act on my concerns, but I hope they remember and if there are enough other people, perhaps it will make a difference..

That being said, sometimes I end up learning what their perspective is.

And frequently, I come to an understanding (if not agreement) on why they are doing what they are doing...

I think you are totally free to voice your thoughts to the MODs in PMs..
They have yet to ban me for that....  ;-)

Pop back by and see...
(Well, not right now, as it's still broken...  ;-)

It's not everyone's cup of tea, but if you are OK with it being what it is, there are some great people there...

And people like me too, but you have to take the good with the bad.. ;-)

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2012, 07:10:15 PM »
Quote from: magnetic;697547
They DONT like Americans for sure.
Some of the mods are Americans.  :-)
And many of the happy users as well..

But - and I am only saying that because I care - there's a lot of  decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real  thing.

We accept that the site isn't for you tho.
That's OK...  

Oh, maybe working now?  I gotta go check it out!

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2012, 01:33:27 AM »
Dang it..
I just typed this great long "can't we all get a long" post.
It was beautiful...
Very moving...  Trust me...

But apparently I hit preview and not save!!!
Oh the humanity...

It's a sign...
I'm done.

I wish everyone in here well..

Have a good one..

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