What is the name of the OS?

[desiv]

BITD, I always looked at it as the Kickstart/ROMs were like the BIOS on PCs.
You couldn't do anything with just them, but they allowed the Amiga to load other stuff.

I always called the command line side of the Amiga (CLI/shell) AmigaDOS, similar to PC DOS or CP/M.

The GUI was Workbench.

desiv

[desiv]

The GUI was Intuition, Workbench is the graphical shell, or desktop as it is known as today.

I didn't know anyone who said "Go into Intuition and launch that application."  :-)

Since GUI is a Graphical User Interface, and the Workbench was the "interface", that's what I called it.

Now, when "programming" graphical features, I used the "Intuition" functions to achieve Windows and menus, etc...

But the actual Graphical User Interface we used to interact with the Amiga was Workbench.  And it used the Intuition to achieve that..

I'd say that Workbench is similar to the Windows GUI and Intuition is similar to the Windows API that is used to enable Windows.

IMHO..

desiv

[desiv]

You are equally confused here, I see. :hammer:

I don't consider a set of function calls an interface.  You do..

Let's just say we disagree on this point..



desiv

[desiv]

:roflmao:
Wow..  Convinced that you are right, aren't you?  :roflmao:

Good to know that, although there is a lot of disagreement on what the terminology means and where the overlap in terms is, you have it all worked out..

I'm glad you were here to save me from having my own ideas of where the breakdown should be...

:p
desiv

p.s.   While you're at it, you might want to FIX the Wikipedia article on Intuition.  The FIRST line says:

The Amiga  computer was launched by Commodore in 1985 with a GUI  called Workbench based on an internal engine  which drives all the input events called Intuition

Hmmm..  Sounds familiar...

[desiv]

You absolutely cannot start an AmigaDOS shell without Intuition.

I never said otherwise???

You can't even enter the early startup bootscreen without Intuition. Whether you use Workbench or Shell to to interact with your Amiga, you are doing it through Intuition, which manages every aspect of the "human" interface to AmigaOS.

I always said that Intuition is a PART of the GUI.  And yes, it's a foundational PART of the SHELL.

Intuition has always been used to refer to AmigaOS embedded windowing/gui system, so Kolla is right.

Not by a lot of people.  In fact, until I came by this thread, I had yet to meet anyone who called the OS, "Intuition".

But as I said, you can call it what you want.  I don't believe there is a right or wrong as to what it should be called.  Apparently some people think I shouldn't call it what I call it.  Funny world..  :roflmao:

I happen to love the Intuition.  I listed it as the most important part of the Amiga in another thread.  Above custom chips and multitasking.  The Intuition is core and important and awesome.

And the OS and GUI are built with it.  IMHO (which I'm not allowed to have).

desiv

[desiv]

Of course not. Nobody calls the OS "Intuition". It is the windowing/gui system that is called Intuition, and people have been calling it that since it was created.

You keep stating opinions as FACT.  That doesn't make it so tho.. :hammer:

It just so happens that as a user you can't actually get to the OS without going through Intuition. This is in contrast to most unix like OS, for example, where you can log into a shell without ever starting up the X server.

Which again, doesn't make it a GUI.  It makes it a PART of the GUI.  That's what APIs do.

It's not only Wikipedia that agrees with me, it's ARS as well:
http://raceways.free.fr/_Amiga/A%20history%20of%20the%20Amiga%20By%20Jeremy%20Reimer.html

The resulting API was called Intuition

Not that the above proves anything other than the issue that not everyone agrees with you.

In fact, it looks like it's just you and Kolla so far...
Which is surprising considering

Intuition has always been used to refer to AmigaOS embedded windowing/gui system

...

I'm just saying...

desiv

[desiv]

Seriously, the AmigaOS GUI is called Intuition and it always has been called Intuition since 1.0.

Seriously, it's not.
The GUI is Workbench, which is built USING the Intuition API.

That, sir, is not an opinion, it is a fact. You can check it out in the RKM under User Interface libraries if you are in any doubt.

Oh great, can you quote where in the RKM is says the GUI is called Intuition?
In fact, if it's in the section about libraries, that kind of leads to my point, that it is a foundation, and not the GUI, which is Workbench.

Seriously..

desiv

p.s  From the RKM:

Chapters 2-16, User Interface Libraries. An in-depth tutorial
      on how to create a graphic user interface for Amiga application
      software using Intuition

Thanx for mentioning the RKM.  It's awesome!  More from that tome:

Intuition is the collective name for the function libraries, data
structures and other elements needed to create a graphical interface for
Amiga applications.

AND MORE!  I LOVE THE RKM!!

Workbench is the graphic user interface to the Amiga file system that uses
symbols called icons to represent disks, directories and files.

[desiv]

Whatever else you may say, Workbench is most assuredly not the GUI. If it were, you would not be able to run GUI applications without it.

Well, according to the RKM, it is the GUI...  (quote above)

So, again, we can just agree to disagree...

Have a good one...

desiv

[desiv]

... but when you qualify "the GUI", you are referring directly to the system upon which all GUIs, Workbench included, is built. And that component is Intuition.

That's not what "I" am referring to when I refer to "the GUI."  That, as I read it, is an API, a "component" as you put it.

When I refer to "the GUI," I mean the interface which is primarily used to launch applications.  Yes, you can launch apps from the SHELL.  But the "primary interface" (IMHO) for for launching apps is Workbench, which I consider "the GUI" which is built on top of Intuition.

I hadn't ever heard someone say "I'm going to launch JRComm from Intuition" before.
So, that's my definition.

So, we're not disagreeing about Workbench or Intuition or even GUI.
We are disagreeing about the use of the word "the?"

Hmmm...  :roflmao:

TTYL

desiv

[desiv]

smerf disagrees with me.

That proves I'm right!!  ;-)

desiv
p.s.  Actually, looks like smerf said Intuition was the OS, which nobody else said.  hmmm.    No Amiga points..

[desiv]

@desiv
Listen to Karlos. He knows what he's talking about. You might learn something to boot...

I did listen to him.  I just don't agree with him..

Why is that such a problem here?  :confused:

desiv