Will there every be another computer like the amiga?

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First, X1000 is not an Amiga, it's a AmigaOne.  Second, AmigaOne with Teron mobo, was prior to the X1000.  Third, it's basically the end of the line for PPC machines, I doubt there will be anything following this dual core G4 system, if any one will be able to afford it.  Fourth, as far as desktops go, the X1000 might be considered a midrange in today's market place at best.  At worst, it's going to preform at the $300 bargain basement level.  All in all,  I know what an Amiga looks like, and the X1000 ain't it.

An amigaone is an amiga. It runs amiga software, it has "amiga" in the name,  and is made by the amiga's owners. So weird-program-xyz doesn't run, big whup. You can't "feel" the chipset being there. The bits of bakealite soldered to the motherboard are utterly irrelevant. For future reference, an aros pc, morphos machine, and an amilithon/dedicated winuae box are all functionally amigas. else macs are not macs, and pcs are not pcs. I can't run Microsoft basic software by booting my PC with no OS anymore, can't run dos programs either under windows 7 (can't even run windows 3.1 software under windows 7). Can't run macpaint from 1984 on a mac pro. Macs are still macs, pcs are still PCs. Logically, amigas are also amigas.

And what does an amiga look like?



This?



Or this?



Or even this? All are commodore designed a1200s.

Oh, and the x1000 isn't rocking a G4. It's a new processor.

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Accept it can't be called an Amiga, Hyperion only has "AmigaOne" name.

Are you serious? Do you think I could, for example sell a product called "SonyOne PlayStationOne"?

So was the Teron mobo that Eyetech dished out.  I didn't call that an "Amiga" either.  Technically, none of them can be called an "Amiga" as that is the sole property of AI.

AI.

Amiga Inc.

The company that has cesed operations and no longer exists? How can you own something that doesn't exist? At any rate Hyperion have the rights (technically a perpetual, worldwide licence) to everything. They are marketing it as a new Amiga. It is a new Amiga.

For most folks, an "Amiga" was a 68K with a custom chipset.  That was pretty special back then.

Back then as in pre 1990. AGA sucked in comparison to vga, was very late, and came at a time when the mainstream had almost switched to PCs. It's not special now. It does nothing a 15 year old graphics chip can't do. To me, an amiga runs amigaOS or something that is, for all intents and purposes, an amiga. No chipset? Good. Saves development time and cost, and UAE is that way. 68K or the chipset isn't what gives it the "feeling". That's maybe the wedge case, but mostly the operating system.

It's a dual G4 SOC.  For $2000 USD, I'm not too impressed TBH.

I'll go slow, maybe you'll get it this time:

IT.
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G4.

@KThunder: Nah your pda isn't an amiga system. Nah my pc with WinUAE isn't an amiga system. They, arguably, become an amiga when the emulator is launched, and stop being an amiga when it is closed. What I can say for certainty, is that they deserve to be recognised as amigas if all they do is Amiga stuff. Amilithon rig? Amiga. Stripped winxp that has winuae set to replace explorer.exe? Amiga. x86 machine that only boots aros? Amiga.

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I think this about sums it up on why both OS4 and MorphOS are doomed to fail.

If anything they'll fail when the last of the amiga users dies out. The rate of replacement is too low. Sure, people my age are tinkering with them, but that's one in how many million?

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What makes you think they have ceased operation and no longer exist? Because their website is down? Don't get me wrong, I hope AInc. really is history as they appear to be, but beyond their site being down I don't think you have much more evidence that they are truly "gone".

They don't answer the phone, there was only ever one person working in the "office", they had no products beyond 1990s era abandonware that they probably bought the rights to for nearly nothing, and they havent got their website - the one thing capable of generating them money- back online. That all points to a clar lack of amiga Inc.

A-eon is not Hyperion.

No, but they are buisness partners producing hardware for Hyperion. Try to keep up.

If so, then that's pretty sad. Back in the mid-80s when I thought about where the Amiga might be in the 21st century it sure was a lot more than the X1000.

What are they supposed to do then? porting to x86 would be a legacy support nightmare, and this is probably the best PPC motherboard being designed and made new. This is not their fault. If anything, the holy church of commodore fucked that one up before the 1990s even rolled round.

How do you know it's not a G4? The specifics haven't been released yet. It could very well be a G4, but that doesn't matter. What we do know is that it will be some PPC variant which might just as well be a G4. Dammy's premise is that PPC on the desktop is on the decline (to put it mildly) - it could be the best PPC ever devised and it still wouldn't make any difference.

Lets play this fun new game called reading.

The X1000 processor currently has very limited availability, and you've  probably never seen one in the wild, so don't worry too much about it. For now, please be content with knowing that it's a dual-core Power  Architecture™

The G4 is everywhere. this one currently is nowhere. Therefore, not a G4. Point me to a dual core G4.

You might recall the fellow a few months ago who polled not only the Amiga forums but also Linux and a few others to try to determine the interest in a new PPC motherboard (not OS4 specific). His results indicated that there isn't enough interest to make producing such a motherboard profitable. From what we know of the X1000 it isn't even designed to appeal to a general "PPC audience" if there was one, which there isn't. In the 80's the Amiga had appeal because it broke new ground in the consumer marketplace. It showed people that computers could bring excitement and creativity into their daily lives.

In the 80s the amiga had appeal because thats what the other kids at school had. The majority of amiga users don't know it was a computer. It was just a games console with a keyboard to them. Sure, if you were working in a TV station in an NTSC country, you might have seen some VT2000s. Thats it. People who used amigas as actual, general purpose computers were few and far between.

Nowdays everyone has a computer, they are part of the landscape. If the X1000 is to live up to the kind of legacy that the real Amiga had it will have to be a lot more than your typical PC or Mac, so will OS4. So far Hyperion and Co. don't seem to be able to muster that kind of creativity. The AmigaOne, the SAM, the X1000 - are little more than the red-headed stepchild of the real Amiga. If I'm wrong then let me know when it begins displacing other products in sectors outside of the fanboi community.

So your saying machines that are better than the classic amiga are somehow worse? "detachable keyboards! networking! dvd-rom drives! a CPU that goes faster than 50mhz! the horror! the horror!"

The amiga can never be mainstream again. It never really was. The 500 and 1200 were treated by the general public as "toy computers" or "games consoles". the 1000 was less popular than voluntary HIV (yes. that is a thing. people are actually willingly catching aids). The 2000,3000, and 4000 were never popular at home.

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This new dual core chip probably would have came under the name G6. It's all marketing.

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It's laughable to hear people still living in the SJ reality distortion field! I'm a big fan of what Steve Jobs has done, but have PPC Macs and intel Macs... And regular PCs, and at no point did the PPC ever run faster than an equivilent priced x86... And certianly not a power efficient... The ISA is relatively unimportant, what matters is the implemention... And unless you have the sort of money intel, AMD or ARM has you will not out compete them.

You're on drugs mate.

Look at the Pentium 4 era. Tell me, truly and honestly, that it wasn't a slow peice of shit whatever the clock speed. All the other cpu designs, like ppc, sparc, had only just reached 900mhz when intel were flouting 1.7Ghz. Great guys, you got a huge pipeline. Your processor is still clock for clock slower than the chip it replaced.

Look it up. Compare, speed wise, a pentium III 1ghz with a P4 1ghz. The P4 gets it's ass handed to it. It wasn't just the G4 that beat it, it was every other design out there. And power efficient? I'd say a 3watt proccessor is pretty power efficent. I've never seen someone have to bolt a big ass peice of metal with a fan to a G4. You know what? How intel CPUs seemed to reach 2.5-3.5Ghz in 2003 and roughly stay there ever since? That's because they were designed for pure megahertz ratings over actual performance. It was marketing.

The G5 sucked though. Was that one IBMs or Motorola's fuckup?

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I bought a 1.5Ghz G4 Powerbook to run Logic Pro 7, I also had Logic Pro Platinum on my 2Ghz Athlon64... The Powerbook could only run half the number of effects/pluggins/tracks as the Athlon machine... it also cost twice as much.

The G4 was a slow old processor in 2005...

Yes, and that's why they replaced it the next year. Saying they were "slow and old" at the very very end of their product lifecycle is incredibly daft.

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Staying current... hah. to be honest i'd be happy with "can watch youtube".

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CPU Intensive like what? And sell them. G4s make decent computers still. Hell, my stereo system in my bedroom is a G3, and handles itself just fine with word processing, photoshop, even a bit of 3D in sketchup from time to time. The trick is to use software from roughly the year a computer is made, excepting web browsers.

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Like, compressing massive amounts of data or video and running virtual servers, or curing cancer.  It'll take forever to cure cancer if people keep using G4s.

That's great, really. Thing is, most people don't do that.

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About AROS, in the end, I can only invite you to try the latest releases, since they are much more polished than, for instance, one or two years ago.

The problem with aros is that it's been made completely randomly.

"So we still haven't got 3.1 source compatability fully worked out? who cares! we got someone with utterly no taste to make a skin for it!"

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My point is, they seem to have worked more on eye candy than the actual goal of the project. Why did they go apeshit making an ugly theme BEFORE finishing the 3.1 apis? That's stupid.

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With things like youtube and similar becoming ever more popular, having the grunt to encode video is a lot more common. Now that Youtube amongst others are offering high def video, the need is greater still.

Sure, they don't need that maybe 90% of the time, but when they do, they want it done in a reasonable time frame. With the introduction of high def, the G5 and especially the G4 based macs are really starting to show their shortcomings.

If youtube didn't use flash, there would be no problem. its hilarious playing a 720p video in quicktime full speed on a g3 400, then trying to watch it on youtube and have the entire machine hang. Actually encoding video doesn't really take too long on a G4 machine, it certainly doesn't slow the other running apps by any noticable amount.

That's a feature, it's to scare n00bs like  dreamcast off to Mac-land, "OMG it was s0 SLOW my G4 blew  it away i was  scared!, PCs stink!"

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Seriously, it's just random words wedged into a vaguely insulting sentence. Are you sure you know what a computer is?

Whereas any reasonable person would change the number in the registry  and be done with it.  Apple never had any bugs!

Yes, it is reasonable that joe bloggs (i.e someone who doesn't care about computers in the slightest) has to learn the inner workings of the worlds most popular VMS clone, then start altering it to fix the developers severe fuck ups.:laughing:

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Which isn't what you wanted them to do. You wanted them to become an "l337 haxx0r" like you must think you are, then start pissing about in the registry.

And if people actually used windows update, it'd probably render the machine unusable from the constant reboots. I once made the mistake of installing a fresh copy of XP SP3, set auto update to bring down all the patches, install and reboot all by itself, and it took about 4 days before it finished, on a 10mb/s connection. yeah.

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I don't want them to do anything, let them keep their 30 second wait for all I care.  I was just commenting the issue was a single value (in seconds) in the registry that needed to be changed, which is as easy as typing "regedit" and typing in a new number in a box.  Scary l33t stuff, that is.

Here is something you do not understand:

A very small amount of people know how computers work, beyond "press buttan, reccev porno".

A very small amount of people actually want to.

Only the above group of people would know how to do that.

..oh, and as for Windows updates... You can take a copy of Windows XP released in 2001 and update it to the most current service pack, patches, etc, for free.  If you've got a copy of OS X from 2001, guess what, you have to buy a new version if you want something newer.  I'll take downloading a couple hundred megs in patches over spending money anyday, not that Apple doesn't make you download large patches to get from 10.4 to 10.4.11, etc.

okay, you're a moron. Reading this literally gave me the opposite of an epiphany. I think I actually felt my brain kernel panic. It's weird, like there's a load of pressure inside your brain, and it gets yanked forward suddenly, your thought process stops totally, you become newborn child levels of stupid, barely sapient for a second. Then, you snap back to your normal level of intelligence, but you feel confused, and full of rage as your brain tries, and fails to proccess the fact that somebody actually thinks that way. It's probably the closest experience to having a stroke I've ever had, and if it weren't for the fact it lasted two seconds and was cause by reading something, I'd be on the way to hospital right now (or shaking on the floor). Congradulations, you just invented the text equivalent of the brown note.

The reason that you have to pay for new OSX operating system releases, is that they are new operating system releases. They are not free, because they aren't. just as windows vista is not a free upgrade for XP, panther is not a free upgrade for jaguar. It's exactly the same. apple doesn't make "service packs" because they are capable of actually improving the operating system in less than seven years.

I love the service pack model. "lets release lots of tiny minor insignifcant fixes constantly, but anything important can wait for a couple of year while we build it into a 2GB monstrosity of a patch that basically replaces the entire OS install and takes forever to download".

Everyone else: "lol no. We find a problem, we fix it as soon as."