How will Hyperion continue the momentum?

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Oh, don't get me even close to started on Apple. I refuse to buy into that at any price. My business parter wanted to GIVE me an I-phone for Christmas so we can start developing Apps and such. He was even willing to give me that and go half on an I-book, for development. I refused and would rather stick with my 4 year old Palm Treo then look at a modern Apple product. I leave the Apple stuff to him ONLY. Even if Mr.Jobs himself, called me up and personally sent a private jet, and flew me down to Apple HQ, to present an I Device in person, I would just laugh and hang up on him(probably call him an idiot to his face).

You know Someone once told me that you should ignore what someone says about you if they can't get your name right.

The irrational hatred of Apple and their products amazes me. I think it's ridiculous.

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I don't get it either. Their products are solid and sell well. It doesn't make any sense for a developer to be a platform purist, that's a quick way to become obsolete and wind up collecting unemployment. In 10 years of software development I'd say 80% of all the APIs and platforms I've learned and developed for I could just ball up and toss in the trash as they aren't even relevant today.

Mostly I think it boils down to human nature, "us vs them". You see it in you tube comments with the brain dead "MACS CARNT PLAY GAYMS DDUUURF" comments, you see it on amiga sites where it's "how dare they have actually had competent management! How dare they not fail on a wave of bad marketing, canceled projects and unnecessary products! FREEEEEDOOOOOM". Except with the Amiga lunatics it's worse, a combination of Severe jealousy and bitterness, powder coated with the usual.

For an actual software developer to think that way is like getting to choose between your own weight in gold, or to ignore it and play on train tracks instead. Absolute lunacy.

EDIT: I just spotted he's a palm user as well. Yep, bitterness and jealousy.

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I wish I was. I'd release a bottom of the barrel PC with linux with a gnome theme that looked like work bench with UAE for $1,000 and amiga nuts would blow their wads and throw cash at me.

Actually we'd all tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine. Remember the Amiga, inc are the brainpower behind such Killer apps as "snowman maker" and "telnet force".

@Karlos: That's not a bad idea actually. I wonder, if they could make a PPC pci card (already exist?) and modify uae to allow direct access to that and a graphics card... All they'd need is a really, really stripped out linux distro and Bingo! New cheap OS4 Hardware!

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I get the feeling...Amiga is software for you ? Is that the way it must stay ? Why not a case keyboard mobo and ppc. Why not use the Intel as its good at...games/tool and use you amiga for fun/learning ? A software package on a pc isn't really a computer is it ? Join the party, ditch UAE and see the world from a hardware perspective ?

Well obviously It'd only be for computers they would sell. But if you think that £££ custom low volume hardware is a better idea you have mental problems.

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For some of us old folks, PPC will never be an Amiga.  Regardless on what the current owners dictate as an Amiga.

And PPC no wait Intel will never be macintosh, ARM will never be acorn, and X86-32 no wait X86-64 will never be windows.

Get real. it's a chip inside the machine. I don't care how it works so long as it WORKS.

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I don't think its better...and mental hmmm..nice touch...do you come here often? First word I say and you flame me. Nice.

custom low volume hardware isn't bad, if it has a valid purpose.....what I guess is that you don't consider the Amiga a valid purpose based on that logic.

Do it cheap and it will find a purpose or do it in software and i can play lemmings. UAE is a emulator and its serves a purpose and like VMware that i use every day it does the same, keep old software alive and that is cool but it has no future it cannot create new markets or inspire a child to develop a whole new concept. That requires an evolving platform and at present thats dominated by a elite group of vendors who's sole intention is to market asparasion rather that lead invention and that is what is sadly missing in IT. Its a corporate market for corporate solutions, everyone else hasn't got a look in and it thats the way it will remain until a tool emerges that can lead and not follow.

Actually with the solution I suggested UAE and Linux would merely act as a go between, nothing but a really big driver. the X86 cpu can be an Atom, with a G5 or whatever on Pci. That's essentially the same as running natively on an amigaone, but with far more compatibility and a slightly slower boot time. Oh, and much, much cheaper hardware.

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I don't think that this solution will be really *much* cheaper. Only in the imagination of people.

Intel atom board for £67
PPC G3 500mhz £31.15
DDR2 2GB £51.69 (ddr2 is going up in price, it's OLD)
Mini atx case £30
500GB SATA £40
dvdrw pata £25
Keyboard and mouse £8
AmigaOS 4.1 £108.30
Total price: £361.14 Pound Sterling.

A weak ppc (but not by much), I know, but there are faster ones out there and at any rate, they can MAKE a ppc card if they want to for less than an entire motherboard. That's MUCH cheaper than a SAM setup from amigakit, with twice the ram too. I've even totaled in a keyboard and mouse like amigakit do. Hell, a SAM motherboard ALONE costs more than this! Go Go Gadget Hyperion.

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Mac Mini G4 1.25GHz, 512 MB RAM, 40GB HDD, DVD/CD-RW Combo £85.22
Keyboard and mouse £8
MorphOS 2.4 £134.67
Total price: £220 Pound Sterling.

New Vs Second hand, and the solution I quoted has two processors available. Also the ram and HDD on that sucks nuts out of the box.

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Why fit the mould, when you can break it ? Make it not compatible and distinctive,be bold, don't follow...lead ? Someone has to....intel had to...apple had to..why does it have to fit with the children of Fairchild ? Why reinvent Vmware for PPC, which is all you are suggesting..its SheepShaver....and it doesn't have a market. It doesn't keep going a million pound app on modern hardware as nothing that vast was written for 68060 or PPC. Its a dead end being the all so rand in a bear market.

I can't undertand anything you just said, apart from "sheepshaver", which has more of a market than all three amiga os' put together and does something completely different to what I was suggesting.

I was suggesting something like amilithon with 100% compatibility and a pass through to real gfx and CPU hardware.

Sheepshaver is an emulator.

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Imaginary Vs Real.

Several people actually obtained those setups and will soon run MorphOS on them.

Obviously RAM and HDD can be upgraded for additional cost if needed.

Yeah, my solution is imaginary. but it's not impossible, and it's better than the other options for running amigaos 4.1. The second hand mac with morphos option is fantastic, but NEW hardware is VERY important.


I wonder what the current NATAMI progress is. Somebody gets a PPC card working with at and we'll be in business.

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Ehhh... that scenario is only partially imaginary. I'm typing from the real parts of that setup right now, and I currently run Win 7, Mackintosh, AROS, Linux and even Amiga Forever on Linux. That's all too real. And I'd love to run AmigaOS 4.1 on it too, but it's Hyperion's failure to glean reality that prevents me from that.

Two cents...

Ed.

Somebody buy this man a beer.

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Language is a gift, press the try harder button !

I speak the language pretty damn well, what you typed was gibberish.

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It might be fun to support WarpOS at least. I don't know what sort of connectivity the machine is supposed to have but if it has PCI then I suppose one of those Sonnet cards could be used if an appropriate WarpOS module could be implemented for it.

In truth, however, I think the project is suffering from enough feature creep as it is.

From what I've seen they are brushing up after a change of SRAM to DDR2 and then focusing on getting the damn thing actually produced, Leaving the 68050 softcore as an update/brick for later. There has also been pleasant sounding noises about doing exactly that with a sonnet card. Though given that the design is REALLY compatible with the 1200 and 4000 (can use either kickstart) it would probably just be a couple of days hacking to get OS 4.0 to run on it once a sonnet card is supported for warpOS or whatever. I'm tired, and I've probably screwed up that explanation somehow.

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You guys are really cracking me up... :laughing:

Well aren't you a little optimist.

I'm also surprised that they announced this board before it was ready to ship, especially considering what it will do to sales of the SAM.

To launch a new hw platform with a intergrated, stable and supported version of OS 4.x will cost a lot of $$$, how much have Hyperion got to spend on this puppy I wonder?

Hopefully some lesson have been learned by the powers-that-be over the AmigaOne lanuch and marketing disaster.

That reminds me - How do Hyperion actually make money? The OS4 market is small as hell. I know they ported games over to amiga in the 90's, but that can't have lasted, surely? For all we know it could be an Amiga Inc situation where the company only has it's doors open for money laundering, but with a much better cover up.

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You mean lead balloon?