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I believe John is adding reCAPTCHA to the site.
 

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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2012, 03:55:19 PM »
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The Amiga section of the unmoderated spam invested site MooBunny is currently broken.
No it's not broken. It has been taken down for some modifications. There's a difference.

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We don't know the whole story but some kind of great new spam filter was created to combat all the junk that makes the site unusable.
Nope, the site was working just fine, except that some retard who kept flooding it with profanity and other crap. His sole purpose in life was to make the site unusable to others. Motives behind that could be only guessed. My guess is that someone didn't like the honest and informed discussion that happens at moo.

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Seems he was able to break the site
I'm fairly sure you're wrong about this one.
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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2012, 04:09:55 PM »
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@Piru

Site is broken.

Error message

"Oops.

Probable infinite loop in GetMessageInfo (counter == 2502):"

I am not getting that here. Tried with Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari.

Here's what I see:
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Moo bunny - always in beta.
Version 4.2 beta 44.

We're down for the weekend while I figure something out.

Guidelines for usage: Enjoy yourselves. In times when people aren't enjoying themselves, messages and threads may be deleted and IPs may be blocked for abusive behavior, pirate site addresses, confidential information, or generally being an ass. Policy complaints and questions to radiographite@gmail.com.

We have other message boards.
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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2012, 04:30:46 PM »
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Try again

http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/moobunny.pl/amiga?addmessage&SUBJ=a&MAIL=a&BODY=a&AUTH=a
The website has been shut down for the weekend. Why should posting work during this time?
 

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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2012, 04:33:14 PM »
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Rather than a patchwork shielding of the destination, why not cut off the source?
You can't. There is this thing called proxies (and tor).

reCAPTCHA would be an effective solution to cut down the scripted spam, at least. It shouldn't be too hard to add it to site like moo.
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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2012, 04:34:25 PM »
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Rather than a patchwork shielding of the destination, why not cut off the source?

You can't. There is this thing called proxies (and tor).

Captcha would be an effective solution to cut down the scripted spam, at least.
 

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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2012, 04:50:10 PM »
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The site was borked for a good 8 hours before John posted up his message on the site. He hasn't done anything other than to make the main list in the amiga section not display.
Ok, didn't notice that myself. I stand corrected.

The cause for the disruption hasn't been stated though?
 

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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2012, 05:04:33 PM »
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But is it scripted spam on Moo?  I really don't think so.

The guy bragged about his scripts on the site, so yes it was.

Even if it was manual, the CAPTCHA would still help by slowing down and annoying the spammer.
 

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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2012, 06:51:35 PM »
@Karlos

Ah okay, so that's the reason for your name appearing in the spam.

Not surprising the spammer has now targeted the other moo forums. Really, CAPTCHA is the only effective way to handle the situation. Of course even then the spammer is able to post single spam messages, but at least he cannot use his scripts.
 

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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2012, 06:54:27 PM »
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Formal complaints should be posted by Squid and Dreamhosters to his ISP, they have to keep records of his activity of what proxies he has been using.

And how are you going to find out which ISP he is using?
 

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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2012, 07:04:42 PM »
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Are you comparing moo to 4chan?
Not directly no. At first I thought you're just against anonymous discussion in general but since then you've clarified that you're only against it if the topics mostly circle around issues you don't approve of.

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But moo has turned into a site that seemed to offer anonymity for anonymity's sake. There was absolutely no useful output in the last few years, just people bashing each other or their favourite target as much as they want.
Well that's your opinion of the matter. I find it different. Of course the site is mostly garbage, but it does have occasional gems. Things that only get posted to moo and turn out to be confirmed as facts later on.

For instance the fact that mr Hermans had left A-Eon appeared first on the moo. It'd be a shame to not have such channel for rumors and gossip.

If you really don't like to read such site, then don't.
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You...
Huh?
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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2012, 07:09:40 PM »
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Once the Amiga section is up, google his post from 2011, that should give you his real IP.  Karlos probably has records from AO dating from a year ago as well.

Dammy

How can you prove it's the same guy?
 

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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2012, 09:54:05 PM »
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His was using a static IP last year. If it is him, his ISP should have logs showing him connecting to the proxy server(s) that was used in the recent attack on Moo during the recent attack.
No, that won't work. See https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en#whyweneedtor

TL;DR: The ISP would only see that the user has connected to tor (and maybe not even that if the perpetrator knows how to use a bridge). The target site only sees someone coming from a TOR exit-node IP address. There is no direct way to connect these two. You could try to perform some time based analysis but that would require access to some very accurate packet logs, and that alone still would not be enough to legally tie the user to the tor activity.

One possibility would be to attempt to reveal the identity through some external application by luring the perpetrator to open some file while browsing with tor. This only works if the perpetrator is careless enough to mix normal and tor browsing.
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Re: Computer Social Experiment gone wrong MooBunny site Broken
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2012, 01:42:09 AM »
The amiga section is back now (with posting). It is now using reCAPTCHA to filter out the automated spam.

http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/225541.shtml