Aos 3 -> aos 4

[Piru]

a new motherboard, even the slowest one will be NEW and not old and because of it more stable

New doesn't necessarily mean stable. New HW typically has trouble with drivers: Either they're missing (coming real soon now!) or are buggy. New HW can easily have small bugs in the firmware or the HW itself that only get ironed out in the later board revisions.

I'd never go for the latest HW myself, I always wait for it to mature a bit.

Now in this special case of PowerPC amigoid systems: The best bang/buck is used Apple HW. You even get great support for it still (spare parts, repairs etc). Far better than you can ever expect to get for your "new" sub-1000 production run Sam.

[Piru]

I just feal that people miss out on something really good.

If you're talking about Sam, they're not. Poor performance and overpriced.

[Piru]

Better performance than any classic machine

Except WinUAE.

the price is what you would expect.

Umm, let me get this straight: People should expect to pay excessive amounts of money for inferior HW? Is that what "amiga experience" is about?

[Piru]

Macs gives you that but for how long?

Likely much longer than Sam/X1000 will.

[Piru]

No, 'cos UAE is no classic machine.

It actually is. These days WinUAE emulates ton of different kind of setups and does it really well. There really is no way to tell it apart from the real thing.

For example the audio output has improved tremendously as of late (due to support for the low latency interfaces).

BTW just gave the latest WinUAE with built-in AROS KS ROM replacement a go. As expected WB 1.3 doesn't quite work:

WB 3.1 however did much better, giving me the "Workbook" desktop. It did quickly crash however:


That being said it will mostly be used to launch bootable games and for that it's more than enough already. Really cool stuff.

[Piru]

Someone manufactures PPC Mac clones?

No. But the support for the existing base of PPC Macs will easily surpass that of Sam or X1000. Simple example: From where can you get spare parts or repairs for AmigaONE SE/XE?

Probably Dave Haynie still have his Mac clone schematics so he will bring them on the market.

I doubt that very much.

Probably some Chinese manufacturer will start producing Mac clones at some stage in the future, that will be compatible with MorphOS.

Highly unlikely.

[Piru]

If this was true then MorphOS and AmigaOS would have been ported to PPC Macs overnight.

MorphOS was ported to Mac mini G4 in a very short period of time (minimal port was done in 48 hours) and largely by a single individual. Writing the drivers and polishing things enough to warrant a release took a bit longer.

The fact that it took so much time to the Morphosians to port their OS to Mac ... speaks about the capabilities of the MOS coders.

I agree. At least I'd like to think we're doing a professional job by not releasing alpha stage OS to paying customers.

[Piru]

Nalle Puh can do the work in software (cheaper).

But does it actually work these days? The word is that it doesn't.

[Piru]

Firefox?

Hmm can't be that: Perhaps you mean this linux^H^H^H^H^Hamiga app called timberwolf?

What's up with this "dll hell" anyway? Doesn't sound very "amiga" to me.

This is just wrong. This is not amiga. I'll take OS and apps that use proper amiga libraries and not some kind of half-as*ed shared object implementation borrowed from linux (on OS4 they aren't even shared, each opener gets their own copy.. fail!). It just can't work without package manager with proper dependency system. This will end badly: "Its just a case of duplicating the listed sobjs in the sobjs drawer and renaming them to match. Once you have done this try again." or "Just make a duplicate copy of it and rename the duplicate to the above and repeat with the other files which are missing.".

Proper shared libraries with per-opener static data are well possible as is proven by numerous such libraries existing in for example in amigaos 3.x and MorphOS. Why AmigaOS4 "designers" chose this lazy route with non-shared shared objects is beyond me.

[Piru]

Better have such port, than having to reboot into another OS.

Actually I rather boot to another OS than suffer from abysmally bad performance that results. And BTW something like this was done over 10 years ago already with ixemul. It could be done at any time, but why bother when the performance, UI experience and stability would be far from desirable... You don't need to look far to see how badly these "linux ports" perform on OS4.

You mention the fellow who opened threads here about his triple, quadriple or whateveriple booting Mac machine.

Nothing wrong with that I'd say.

It (powerbook support) was announced back in 2009.

You have trouble understanding english it seems.

Sneak preview on Amiga.org
(almost 2 years ago). Fast development?

Since when 18 months was 2 years? That's 1.5 years, not 2.

Regardless during those 18 months we've:

• Released MorphOS 2.5
• Released MorphOS 2.6
• Released MorphOS 2.7
• Released MorphOS with support for eMac (various models)
• Released MorphOS with support for PowerMac G4s (various models)
• Showed preview of ongoing work for both PowerBook G4 and PowerMac G5 versions of MorphOS.

Not fast enough for you?

MOS is even more limited than AmigaOS 4. Most of the users however did not had the chance to try both AmigaOS 4 and MOS on same hardware to judge by themselves.

Who have seen it and judge the situation objectively see the truth indeed: MorphOS beats OS4 on the same HW on every area. Whining how "OS4 is not optimized for Pegasos 2" is getting a bit old now. OS4 still has no USB2 and lacks the proper 3D support, not to mention basic things such as proper support for AltiVec unit, working FAT, NTFS, ext2 or XFS filesystems or a proper console. I see no serious competition.

[Piru]

The date of the post says 11-07-2009 (I guess this is american standard then). Shall I dig older posts where PowerBook support was announced.

Yes, please do.

Hurry up to delete them before they are found.

Uh what?

Not a public version for any laptop.

I've never stated otherwise.

All these major numberings are in fact minor updates.

By your definition maybe. That's far from the truth however.

MorphOS is limited. No proper filesystems

If your definition of a proper filesystem is one with support for >4GB files then we do have such filesystems. Several in fact.

no memory protection

The level of memory protection in MorphOS equals that of AmigaOS4.

no virtual memory

IMHO there's no need for virtual memory in amigoid system. At least I haven't found need for it. In fact we had VM many years ago (before AmigaOS4 even existed) but we found it quite useless in most real world usage scenarios.

no enough ported applications.

In your opinion. I'll rather have proper native applications such as OWB rather than half-as*ed linux ports such as Timberwolf.

You of course can keep on repeating your flawed claims ad infinitum if you wish. It won't make them any more true, however.