Why no new hardware for MorphOS??

[Piru]

Im also led to believe that MorphOS can't even be used on the G5 (something to do with the GFX Card I think)

MorphOS doesn't yet support PowerMac G5. The currently supported hardware is listed here: http://www.morphos-team.net/hardware.html

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user have to look for used and old hardware?

That said hardware is better and cheaper and with better parts/repair support than anything available as new. Hardly a problem I'd say.

Of course there are some that just have to have new HW. You could always buy EFIKA, but IMO you're better off with a Mac: Faster CPU, more memory.

[Piru]

Hardware doesn't last forever. But I am certainly not sentimental about this eMac, and I will not repair it if it fails. It's main value to me is the MorphOS license, so hopefully there is a mechanism for transfering that license to replacement hardware if the eMac gives up the ghost.

You can contact the MorphOS Team for the transfer if the HW dies.

[Piru]

ahh yes but for how long JJ ? old macs will only start drying up

I'm afraid your AmineOne supply will dry out well before Mac supply will.

[Piru]

Okay, the answer of the thread why no new hardware for MorphOS is stated in thread about Sam 460

Keyword in the above statement obtain. I.e. money coming from MorphOS registrations are used to obtain potential hardware for future ports, not development of hardware, research, marketing or anything else. The money coming from MorphOS are not going to MorphOS at all, and are used to obtain old hardware, that is getting older and older. Hence the reason Why no new hardware for MorphOS.

If you think that the income from registrations would generate enough income to allow developing our own custom hardware you're deluding yourself.

However, nowhere do I claim that it would be all "old" hardware. That's just your wishful thinking.

[Piru]

"There is no proof on the Internet"

[Piru]

Custom hardware in the Amiga Community was developed without any prior income - reference - Minimig,

Minimig is rather inexpensive development. Very nice personal achievement there. But lets face it, it won't quite run complex modern OS.

AmigaOne X1000.

Several hundred thousand euros has been invested into this project, with tiny prospect of success. Trevor himself has acknowledged this by stating that he'd be happy to break even.

At least I'd like to keep my hobbies less expensive.

[Piru]

Bad for MorphOS. Less potential customers. I am going to buy C-One with MiniMig extender module.

Good luck running AmigaOS4 on it!

You can't run AmigaOS on Teron mobo. There are Amiga developments on the AmigaOne board.

The only difference was a dongle inside the firmware that OS4 checks for. You wouldn't want to have customers able to run your OS on nothing but HW you control after all?

MorphOS still does not work good on Mac laptops

It runs very well on my PowerBook G4. Here it's running on Jacek's powerbook:
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neither on G5 Macs

More work is needed there, but it's working better all the time. Some shots from iMac G5 for instance:
showconfig
desktop
memtest
system overview

There wasn't need to spend several hundred of thousands of euros to develop this hardware.

Are you saying that MorphOS runs on some unknown, brand new hardware, that the developers are not willing to share about? Come on.

You expect anyone to reveal anything to you about any possible future developments? Come on.

[Piru]

The other difference was that AmigaOne was available for purchase in single quantities for end customers. Can you say the same for the Terons?

Several companies were supposed to sell Terons for end users. They however quickly found out that the hardware was just too broken. They decided against selling such defect boards to their customers.

Eyetech didn't have such moral problems. They were happy to sell broken HW to end users.

Not on mine.

I'm sorry for the delay but we wish to make sure that our product is feature complete, stable and has been beta tested before we sell it our customer.

It was a common tactic of MorphOS devs to reveal possible future developments, especially when new Amiga developments were announced and took all the attention of the tiny community.

Surely a coincidence.

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I still don't get why this thread is mainly about it running on Macs

It's because these compatible PPC Macs can be bought at a fraction of the price of a custom built "amiga" hardware. Say 200 € instead of 1000+ € for a complete system.

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@drHirudo

I bet no OS4 user has ever sold their old system or bought a 2nd hand system. I mean everyone just trash their old AmigaOnes and SAMs, since they're obviously worthless... as they're no longer new.

Besides Apple has moved away from PPC years ago. It goes without saying that any PPC Mac bought is not new.

Really, you're starting to sound like a broken record here.

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And you sound like a person who places the facts around what he wants to prove and skips the rest.

I didn't skip the facts. I assumed everyone in world knows that Apple no longer produces PowerPC Macs. If you think that this is intentional misleading then I can't help you.

It was obvious that you compared the price to a second hand system to a brand new one.

Hmm wait, first you say I am twisting facts but next you agree with me that I didn't? Okay, I guess that makes sense.

I made a fair comparison with the clothes from thrift shop and a designers shop. Then you continue with personal insults.

If you think I've made any personal insults report them to the moderators.

f you make such statements about 100 Euro versus 1000 Euro, please state that the 100 Euro are for second hand hardware, while the 1000 Euro are for new.

I did. It was implied. Everyone knows Apple no longer produces PowerPC hardware.

It have nothing to do if AmigaOS users buy or not second hand hardware.

Perhaps, but I did neatly demonstrate how this "only new is good" idea was clearly bogus. There is nothing wrong in 2nd hand hardware.

But you compare hardware scrap

So in your opinion anything not new is "scrap". It doesn't make it a fact.

with hardware produced in the recent years that have some additional taxes attached to it like RoHS tax, money denominations

Yes those are some the problems when producing new custom HW. These are some of the reasons why it is impossible to produce custom PowerPC HW with sensible prices, and ultimately the reason why 2nd hand Macs are so attractive.

the persons who don't know much like Franko will happen to believe your fallacies.

Your concern for others is commendable. But could you do that without insulting them?

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I realise this was meant as a sarcastic response, but my A1 is second hand. One careful previous owner, another amiga.org long time member with a passion for gadgetry

Hehe. I'm posting this from my spanking new MacBook Pro 13"