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Re: The natami looks very close to completion.
« on: April 03, 2010, 11:49:47 PM »
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I'm confused - where's Piru?

Watching breakpoint stream. Amiga 64k compo should be on pretty much right now.

Anyway. As far as I can remember text is rendered via CPU. Also, "implemented" is far from tested and working.

Blah... just 3 enties in the compo.

Anyway, natami is far more ambitious than just booting the amigaos. Just doing that is trivial and is well doable.
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Re: The natami looks very close to completion.
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2010, 12:35:43 AM »
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The whole "russian roulette" I played when I pressed the power button is over. Someone else can worry about if the next time they turn the physical amiga on is the last. I think a Natami would probably be worse. You have one producer, with limited runs, on specialized hardware. Try to replace or repair that.

You have a great point here, which I'd like to expand.

In my opinion it works for all limited run hardware. Hardware becomes available. You might have a running system now, and perhaps even warranty repairs for 2 years, if you're lucky. But since the HW was only ever produced in very limited numbers (say < 5000 units), it will soon become very very hard to get repairs or spare parts. Dealers would like to help you, but are unable to since there just are no spare parts or qualified repair shops available. With new tehnologies (surface mounted components, higher bus speeds etc) it becomes harder and harder to repair things.

This is the very reason I believe X1000 project is doomed to fail even before the HW is out.

What about the alternatives? There are no magic solutions here. Either you migrate to the common tehnologies used today (read: amd64, ARM etc), or try to find some large existing hardware base to take advantage of. If the technology is clearly winding down (like it is the case with PowerPC), the 2nd option will only carry you so far. So eventually, you'll have to migrate or die off completely.

What we're doing with MorphOS currently is taking the 2nd option. We're making MorphOS available for ever wider range of Apple PowerPC hardware. These PPC Macs are available in vast quantities from various auction sites. Prices are relatively moderate (compared to new custom HW at least). You can still find spare parts and qualified repairs for these machines, and what best: if your hardware fails completely, it is relatively easy to find a replacement.

Obviously this won't last forever, but I firmly believe this is the only sensible course of action for now.
 

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Re: The natami looks very close to completion.
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 06:25:20 PM »
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@Piru

I think you're missing the point of Natami.

I don't think I am.

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your argument that the hardware used to run MorphOS is easily repaired or replaced is flawed. Try to get warranty repairs or replacement parts for a PegII or a MacMini.

I was obviously talking about Mac Mini. While there are no warranty repairs, the spare parts to Mini are dirt cheap. Heck you can buy several Mac Minis for the price of other "custom" PPC HW. You can find very good repair service for the Macs still. Try that with your custom PPC HW after 5 years...

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It's an oxy-moron to say that MorphOS has taken an approach that allows it to run on a wider range of PPC systems. There simply isn't a widerange of PPC ANYTHING.

Nonsense. There are millions of PPC Macs around still.

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The number of running PPC systems is finite and drops daily as these systems get trash binned or experience hardware failures.  MorphOS is on the same slow sinking ship that has been "Amiga" for years.

It is far more sensible to port to these easy targets than to spend years working on x86/amd64 port with no releases at all in the meanwhile. This really is the best option for now.

Obviously eventually we will need to re-evaluate the situation, but the Mac systems won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
 

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Re: The natami looks very close to completion.
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 06:34:54 PM »
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MorphOS needs a Wii port!
No, it really does not.
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Bounty anyone?
You'd be wasting your time, but sure if that rocks your boat...
 

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Re: The natami looks very close to completion.
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 08:02:25 PM »
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@Piru

Again, your arguments are flawed.
Again, I don't agree with you. I think you're thinking that I'd somehow argue against x86/amd64. I am not.

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Just because there are "millions" of ANYTHING laying around, doesn't mean that there is a demand or that people will use them.
Did I claim that? No.

I just say that it is way easier to get things replaced if there's a huge stockpile of used PPC Macs around. Repairs are easier than to some custom PPC HW platform.

Note that I did not claim that these systems would be better in generic computing than x86/amd64 box. This argument is obviously only valid in the the PPC amigoid sphere of things.

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Why take a step backward to use a 5-year old MacMini with MOS when I can get a modern system for $500 USD or less that will trounce a MacMini in every area?
If you don't want to run PPC OS, then obviously you're going to get a x86/amd64 box. See above.

I personally run several intel c2d and c2q boxes (Debian GNU/Linux). They don't replace the two Mac Mini G4 and PowerBook G4 I have, however.

Now, you might think that running AROS on them would do that. I don't agree with that sentiment. Frankly, while AROS has progressed nicely lately, I still think it has years to come even close to what MorphOS is today, or might never get that far.
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Re: The natami looks very close to completion.
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 08:20:07 PM »
@lou_dias

It will not happen. Forget it.