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Re: Did Producer Timbaland Steal From the Demoscene?
« on: January 15, 2007, 12:06:02 PM »
 

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Re: Did Producer Timbaland Steal From the Demoscene?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2007, 10:48:02 PM »
a still from Timbaland and Busta Rhymes in Studio

Now check this out: http://www.sidstation.com/

Kudos to "old64scener" for spotting this... :-)

Small explanation: The ripped version of the song is actually the C64 version by GRG (this is a fully legit cover, as explained here). Some people wondered how the C64 track was recorded, well here is the answer.
 

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Re: Did Producer Timbaland Steal From the Demoscene?
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Re: Did Producer Timbaland Steal From the Demoscene?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 02:53:14 PM »
Music Television News

Never realized I'd live to see the day they play chipmusic (or SID music) on MTV... :-P
 

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Re: Did Producer Timbaland Steal From the Demoscene?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2007, 10:58:44 AM »
Timbaland comments the controversy (Warning: This probably will raise your blood pressure)

update: text transcript (for the Youtube impaired)

update2: fixed youtube URL to one without censorship
 

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Re: Did Producer Timbaland Steal From the Demoscene?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2007, 04:17:54 PM »
Legal: Clear samples

It's a copyright infringement (infringing rights of both GRG and Tempest), and a obvious case of plagiarism (using the whole C64 version as the base of the "Block Party" ringtune and "Do it").

This is a particularily interesting point:
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If the sample is used a lot
If the sample is extensive and underpins your tune to such an extent that the track won't really work without it, then you're in a weak bargaining position.

The other record company can demand a much higher royalty - as much as 50% in some cases.


The record Loose has 12 tracks,. "Do it" is one of them, that'd mean 1/24th of the profits. Loose has sold 3 million copies (early december 2006, so it's more by now).

So:
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The potential cost of removing an uncleared sample once a record has been released is enormous and your bargaining position with the copyright owners is extremely weak.

They may sue for damages as well as demanding some or all of the profits from the record. They could obtain a court injunction preventing the record company from selling the record. If they succeeded in that, then your label would have to go to the time and expense of recalling any copies in the shops and re-pressing the record. The bill for all this lands in your lap.
 

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Re: Did Producer Timbaland Steal From the Demoscene?
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2007, 10:56:46 AM »
@jkirk

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2774/sidstationeh4.jpg

While he could have used other means to "grab" the original, you'd imagine sidstation was what he used.

And how is conversion ripping while recording off some HW isn't? So to avoid being called a ripper you just need to replay the module thru some player and record the output? Sorry, this does not compute.

He recorded the original track, removed the drums and added some bass, drums and lyrics. This is ripping, clear and simple, regardless of the physical method of obtaining the original audio data.