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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« on: December 25, 2006, 01:33:04 AM »
@Paradox

You are wrong. EFIKA is not powerful enough for smooth UAE emulation. Some light games might run fast enough, but anything more demanding will not.

It is not very smart to bring up false hopes about this. EFIKA is rather neat, but it is not a generic purpose desktop computer. I prefer to be honest about such things.
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2006, 02:07:32 AM »
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so you telling me that a 400Mhz PowerPC CPU with 128MB ram cant play game for a 14MHz 020 with 2MB Ram?

Exactly. If you had any clue how complex tasks UAE has to do, you would know this too.

Anyway, this is pointless. You will not get it.
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2006, 02:09:12 PM »
@Paradox

How about you actually try running UAE on EFIKA before making these rather ignorant statements?

Like SamuraiCrow and XDelusion already pointed out, there is no JIT for PPC UAE.
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2006, 02:11:18 PM »
@ptek

This Paradox guy is a dealer (if you can imagine), he should have access to EFIKA. But as everyone can tell, he hasn't actually ran UAE on EFIKA.
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2006, 02:17:39 PM »
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Im not getting my own till MorphOS is released for it.

So basically you haven't ever used EFIKA at all, and you're just making this all up?

Have you ever used UAE on your Pegasos II G4?

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I think your not getting the point. Maybe now if you run E-UAE over a big bloated linux with swap files and allsorts. it will not run right.. But with MorphOS or a very light minimal Linux it should be OK.

And I'm telling you EFIKA just doesn't have enough horsepower for UAE. Some very simple & light games might run somewhat acceptably, but anything more interesting requires faster system.

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2006, 04:34:46 PM »
@Paradox

I suggest you try it yourself before making any more comments about this.
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2006, 08:44:48 PM »
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run winuae without JIT on 1.6ghz with 64 ram selected and runs 3.1 install get sysinfo and my computer is 100x faster than an a4000/040. (red and goes of scale with white plus sign)

Newsflash: syncthetic benchmark-tools lie under emulation. The actual performance is nowhere near 100x. SysInfo is especially bad here, it is an outdated application, anyway. Use some reallife benchmarks instead.

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so wouldnt the Efika run 25x faster atleast?

Not even remotely close.

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Maybe Im not as clever as I would like to be at coding etc but this should be possible..

Yes. No.

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If I could I would prove you wrong

You're (supposedly) selling EFIKAs. Grab one, install your linux on it, and run UAE. Then come back with some results which prove me wrong. I'll be waiting.
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2006, 10:18:42 PM »
@falemagn

Slow CPUs can produce good results on x86, mostly because of the JIT and L2 caches.

UAE with JIT patch was okayish on cel 400. Without JIT it was quite bad (lack of cache didn't help).

5200B has no L2 cache at all, only 16KB inst & data caches.
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2006, 10:25:21 PM »
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We will prove you wrong PIRU and whomever is sceptic of UAE

I am still waiting.
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2006, 05:50:03 PM »
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he dont even know what an amiga virus is

recorded earlier
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2006, 06:21:29 PM »
@Paradox

By default this UAE4ALL src uses FAME x86 assembly optimized m68k emulation kernel. If you disable it (powerpc does not execute x86 code), it uses regular UAE emulation.

Thus, on powerpc this is just regular UAE.

There is a portable C version of fame (famec), but UAE4ALL refused to work with it (the emulation is just stuck, nothing happens).

You somehow try to feed this as "proof" of something. Well surprise surprise, this doesn't prove anything. You would know this if you had actually tried it.
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2006, 06:33:24 PM »
@Doobrey

Some googling revealed this: UK retailer warning

Oh dear.. :-)
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2006, 06:54:31 PM »
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2006, 08:02:48 PM »
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You CAN get Amiga virus's that stay on the system etc..

once there loaded up they stay there even without floppy or hd connected etc..

You can not. Such virus is not possible, at least not on Amiga hardware.

There is no media to store the virus to. The only memory that can hold information over power loss are:

a) Kickstart ROM, read only memory (cannot be written to)
b) Battery backed realtime clock, about 16 bytes of volatile memory (in which only certain bitpatterns are valid, and which updates constantly as clock is ticking).

Thus, it is not possible to have code embeded to system that will "stay" over power lossage.

You are wrong.
 

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Re: UAE for MorphOS
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2006, 08:34:25 PM »
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how does the memory get onto th rom chips in the first place?

From the mask used to manufacture the ROM chips. The ROM is hardwired at manufacture time, there is absolutely no way to reprogram it. Next you're telling me that ROM can be written to?

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Im telling you m8. there is a virus that stays in the amiga when you turn of and on same stuff happens over and over again.

It is no virus. Such virus is not possible.

You claim you've fixed it with VirusZ. What is the name of the virus it finds?