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Well, I'd recommend you don't trust Elbox marketing talk anymore you trust anyone elses.

It's quite obvious they'll fail to mention the things that make their hw less appealing. They seem to have a habit of recruiting some rabid followers to trash the competition, seem to have no problem in trashing your data, and calling their customers "underprivileged".

http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/elboxdecrypt/
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=6302
 

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Re: IDE - usb through a Spider - a good alternative to powerflyer?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2005, 08:42:16 PM »
@trgse

Hello there, mr 'Adding broken Anti-MorphOS-code to GPL applications'.

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not to mention how you yourself behave when it comes to MOS
(talk about rabid follower)

How do I behave exactly? Would you be kind enough to describe in detail.
 

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Re: IDE - usb through a Spider - a good alternative to powerflyer?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2005, 03:17:14 PM »
@Lemmink

Indeed.

Elbox is also advertising Mediator 1200#? "transfer rate up to 264MB/s", but failing to mention it's only for PCI<->PCI transfers in optimum cases.

Sure it's a nice speed, but quite useless since most of the time you actually need the data to be moved to/from the system memory (or cpu). For that the actual speed is about 1/20th (or less) of the advertised speed.
 

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Re: IDE - usb through a Spider - a good alternative to powerflyer?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2005, 05:27:48 PM »
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a person who is involved in the promotion of pirating the Spider drivers

I am doing no such thing.

You must be seriously confused somehow.


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The same applies e.g. for Bugatti (www.bugatti-cars.de). They are advertising Bugatti Veyron 16.4 running at velocity 400km/h, but failing to mention it's only in optimum cases.

Do you think Bugatti should mention in their site that you will not be able to drive their Bugatti Veyron at 400km/h due to the road quality or speed limitation in your country?

But is the Bugatti Veyron limited to 20km/h?
 

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Re: IDE - usb through a Spider - a good alternative to powerflyer?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2005, 04:52:09 PM »
@tjaoz

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Even in this thread you link to your website which encourages pirating Spider drivers

No, it does not.

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where there are notes how to crack Spider drivers.

No there isn't.

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Moreover, you also offer software tools needed for pirating these drivers.

No, I don't.

Again, I don't know how you manage to see the things you claim to see, but clearly you're confused somehow. Maybe you haven't actually checked out what the code in question does, or have problems understanding the technical issues handled there?

Clearly if there is something illegal on my web page, you should contact my ISP and Elbox right away. My ISP's abuse email address is abuse@kymp.net.

Remember to provide the evidence.

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Busspeedtest to the graphic card in Mediator measures the maximum speed at which the turbo card can read the $200000 -> $9FFFFF area. Some A1200 turbo cards do at 6MB/s, others at 8-9MB/s, still others at 12-14MB/s, and some at 18MB/s. It all depends on the hardware design of the turbo card.

If busspeedtest in your A1200/060 reads 9MB/s, it means that your turbo card cannot access this area faster. It is the hardware limitation of your turbo card -- not limitation of Mediator.

So basically you're suggesting the A1200 CPU Slot interface could do upto 264MB/s with proper accelerator...

You must be kidding.
 

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Re: IDE - usb through a Spider - a good alternative to powerflyer?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2005, 07:14:04 PM »
@tjaoz

First of all, I am not 'Qwe'. I thought it was quite obvious, I am Harry Sintonen or 'Piru', not 'Qwe'.

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In the text on your website, someone (you?) writes what should be changed in the Elbox driver code to use this driver without Elbox restrictions. (These restrictions allow their usb driver working ONLY with the Spider card hardware.)

I don't see such instructions or source code. I see some speculation what could be the reason for the protection to exist in the first place (1st paragraph of the 'History' section).

Where do you see these alleged instructions?

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Do you remember the email on the Mediator list with info how to break the Poseidon registration restrictions?

No.

It could have something to do with the fact that I a) don't own a Mediator, nor have ever owned one b) don't read the Mediator mailing list.

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but you also include a tool for decrypting the code of this driver,

That is true.

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which is necessary for cracking it.

That is true, aswell.

It would be necessary to decrypt the driver if you were to crack it. I see no such thing anywhere on the webpage, however. If someone uses this tool for illegal purposes, it is not my fault, now is it? Also note that I do not host any Elbox software (pirated or otherwise), or tools/instructions on how to crack Elbox sw.

Anyway, the tool was obviously written to prove the claim that the driver contained such RDB trashing code. It can't even produce a working decrypted binary!

As a conclusion: Regardless what motives lead to finding of the RDB trashing code, it does not invalidate the findings.

People deserve to know.


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> Clearly if there is something illegal on my web page,
> you should contact my ISP and Elbox right away. My
> ISP's abuse email address is abuse@kymp.net.

Sorry, it is not my busines...

Well, STFU then and let the moderators take care of the situation?
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Still, I wonder why moderators of Amiga.org allow you to post links to such texts here.

I would think the reason they don't prevent me from linking to it is that they agree there is nothing dubious on the abovementioned web page.

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> So basically you're suggesting the A1200 CPU Slot
> interface could do upto 264MB/s with proper accelerator...

Why not?

Because it's physically impossible?

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The $200000 - $9FFFFF area is not used by A1200 motherboard at all. So what speed turbo card accesses this area depends on the hardware design of the turbo card only.

So the turbo card magically gets brain wave access to the area, without any need to send signals via wires or such silly stuff?

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All accesses from the turbo card to this area are directed only to the external hardware (like Zorro II, Zorro IV or Mediators) connected to the CPU slot. If external hardware acknowledges cycles immediately (the case of the Mediator WAIT jumper opened), there is obvious that the speed at which this hardware is accessed is limited by the turbo card interface hardware only.

Newsflash: There are certain timing requirements for accelerators using the CPU slot interface, and if you break them the accelerator will not work.

This is quite obvious.


@Doobrey
Oops, missed it, sorry. You should have a reply now.