I bloody well knew it - Brian Bagnell wants yet more time and more money

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we are guaranteed the full story in two books before Nov 2017!

No you aren't: "ESTIMATED DELIVERY Nov 2017"

He is writing from memory, rather than having to track down and interview people, so that improves his estimate.

However, if it really is "NO HOLDS BARRED" then it will likely have to go through a rigorous legal process before publication.

I didn't back Brians book as I had pre-ordered it on amazon years ago, fool me once.... However I would certainly buy both volumes in paper back.

I'd buy Davids book in paper back too, hard back books are too big and awkward. It is only really justified for books with lots of pictures.

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Indeed, I am in touch with a lawyer to see what she thinks of the situation, I want my book as promised or my money back.

From Kickstarters site:
"Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project? Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all  rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not  or cannot fulfill. (This  is what creators see before they launch.) We crafted these terms to  create a legal requirement for creators to follow through on their  projects, and to give backers a recourse if they don't. We hope that  backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel  that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project  and fulfill."

It's unlikely that Kickstarter's Terms of use will be enforceable by anyone other than Kickstarter. So you would need to talk to them, rather than a lawyer. The clue is "or even legal action on behalf of your backers".

Kickstarter may think he's being reasonable, in which case you've wasted your time.
Or they may ask him to deliver what was originally promised, in which case he'll cut and slash something together to meet those requirements. Which will not be worth owning.

The clause is there for people defrauding, not when it's impossible to deliver the original items but they instead deliver something slightly different.

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Reduce the spacing in between the lines and/or reduce the font size.  He could also do a search on "that", "which" and remove them as they are often not required.  He could also reduce the number of pages required by replacing Commodore with just the chicken head symbol and instead of writing Amiga it could be shortened to Miga, even.

Problem solved. He found http://transl8it.com/

"Hello! Im Brian Bagnall & I wnt 2 teL U d story of Commodore durN d Amiga years. Commodore produced my favorite computers n d eighties & 4 years I waited 4 SOME1 2 wrte a buk bout thOs NcreDbL tImz. Strangely, it seemed lIk publishers wer only intRStd n talkin bout Apple, Microsoft & IBM. Its tym 2 GIV d Commodore Amiga som crdz az d 1st commercially sucSful multimedia cmptr.

tAk a journey frm Amiga's beginnings n 1982 2 wen Commodore filed 4 bankruptcy n 1994. Dozens of brilliant & motivated engineers produced a cmptr w graphics, swNd & multitasking capabilities years ahed of apL & IBM. A lot hapnd n dat decade, & DIS buk wiL descriB 2 U d most relevant parts n a definitive history of d Amiga story & Commodores fInL descent.

Prior 2 undertaking DIS project, Commodores trajectory az a co. wz a huge mystery. writiN DIS buk wiL aLow me 2 sleuth out wot happened, relive thOs tImz alongside thOs hu wer there, & share d rslts w fellow travelers lIk U. dat prospect aloN iz incredibly XcitN."

Firstly, from the fact  that Jack Tramiel headed up the Atari ST development after being kicked  out of C=.

Jack resigned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfJzMAyDh_I&feature=youtu.be&t=3382
https://youtu.be/zfJzMAyDh_I?t=4044.

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Atari was an important part of the personal computer revolution (just as Commodore was) but both have been largely ignored by the main stream press. These companies put a lot of computers in the hands of people who went on to help define technology today. Telling their story is important for not just the history of the personal computer but for people.

Atari were too big and corporate & not really "rockstar" types. Bil Herd and Dave Haynie are responsible for most of the commodore stories. If you are a reporter, you'll go after the people who are easy to find and want to talk.

It was only really at the Amiga 30th anniversary when people and hardware came out of the woodwork. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXKcMFoRsN4, more and more people coming forward is a huge problem for Brian.

Apple have done ok https://www.folklore.org/, but I'm sure there are plenty of other stories from there.

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"Bil Herd and Dave Haynie" as "rockstar(s)".
OMFG! That IS hilarious. And yet you want to dismiss Atari, which is where the primary designer for the Amiga originally worked.

Frankly, I'm SO damned tired of hearing about these two.
Herd, the guy that grafted a Z-80 to the C64, and gave birth to the C128.
And Haynie, the "I did it single handedly (even if most of it never saw the light of day)", guy.

YOUR heroes, not mine.

Your anger made you miss the point of my post entirely.

Also, I didn't dismiss Atari. Jay Miner worked at many companies before starting Amiga. Bringing all of silicon valley into the book would be unpractical.

Jay gets a lot of credit, but the Atari VCS and Atari 8 bit were designed by Cyan engineering. The Amiga was mostly designed by people that Jay hired.

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"What a croc of excrement! I get half the book I paid for years later  than promised. I paid for the Commodore The Amiga years not from year x  to year y.

Bagnal is a schmuck. "

AFAICT You're getting all the years, it's just only some of them are going to be printed and the rest will be an ebook & the printed book will have more pages than you paid for.

I don't get why anyone is angry at all. You're blaming Brians because he has found more to write about. It's like you want him to not write the book that you paid him to do.

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AFAICT You're getting all the years, it's just only some of them are going to be printed and the rest will be an ebook & the printed book will have more pages than you paid for.

I don't get why anyone is angry at all. You're blaming Brians because he has found more to write about. It's like you want him to not write the book that you paid him to do.

Amazon have resurrected the book.....

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0994031025/ref=em_si_text

"This title will be released on June 1, 2017.
Pre-order now."

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Should be called Commodore: Half of the Amiga Years.... the rest is a DLC

It's double the number of pages than originally promised. Brian should have made sure that only enough history happened to fill 600 pages.