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Offline psxphill

Re: New Kickstart 3.9.1 68k on the way
« on: December 08, 2014, 07:48:15 PM »
Quote from: olsen;779274
Finally, different types of ROMs are required by different machines, with respect to where the kernel is to look for ROMTags, how much stack space it may use, etc. If I remember correctly, the big difference here is between the machines built around the architecture of the A3000 (which includes the A4000 and A1200 models) and those which precede it (this being the A2000 and the A500; I think the A600 belongs here, too).

No, you can run an A500 with an A1200 kickstart. I was using Kickstart 3.0 on an A500 before 3.1 came out. There are a ton of bugs with OCS/ECS, but that was just because they didn't prioritise fixing them.

The main difference is A500/A2000/A600 uses a single 16 bit rom and later machines use two 16 bit roms to provide 32 bits. Which provides a physical reason for the difference, although the actual contents could have been the same across them all.

For Kickstart 3.1 there were different versions for different hardware because there wasn't enough time to fix all the bugs (they'd fix one and it would break something else) and also due to rom size (A4000T needing both scsi & ide for example). They could have pushed workbench.library onto disk for everybody and included all the devices with auto detection, but there wasn't a business case for it.
 
 There was also the A4000/A1200/A600 ide being different, but again that could have been handled by detecting whether you had gayle or not and handling different code paths.
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Offline psxphill

Re: New Kickstart 3.9.1 68k on the way
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2014, 10:27:12 PM »
Quote from: Ratte;779319
Thats not true.

There are different hardwarespecific versions of exec, expansion and devices.
The A1200,A3000,A4000 & CD32 versions are 020+ optimized .. not working on 68000.
The A3000 is very special .. the ONLY rom with real FPU-code inside !!!
A600/A1200 includes some PCMCIA-code.
A3000/4000 includes "bonus" for onboard fastmem.

It's true that back in the day I ran Kickstart 3.0 from an A1200 on an A500 with a phase vi 14mhz 68000 (I didn't try 3.1 as I bought the a500 upgrade). It's true that they cherry picked different releases for each platform based on which worked at the time they submitted the 3.1 roms to manufacturing (I'm sure that years ago there was an description written by someone at commodore about why they picked each one). it's true that they could have produced one that worked in them all if there was a financial reason to.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2014, 10:30:13 PM by psxphill »
 

Offline psxphill

Re: New Kickstart 3.9.1 68k on the way
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2014, 07:36:30 PM »
Quote from: kolla;779388
Have there yet been any legal dispute over such things in "amiga land"? No? If noone takes any action to upheld the copyrights of the works, then for all practical purposes there is no longer any copyright on the works, regardless of the 70 years mickey mouse law.

That is not true. In the same way that thieves who don't get caught have no legal right over what they stole.
 
 You could argue that it's unlikely that you'll be prosecuted, but not that the copyright doesn't exist (unlike trademarks, it doesn't have to be defended to exist).
 

Offline psxphill

Re: New Kickstart 3.9.1 68k on the way
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 11:44:45 PM »
Quote from: johnklos;779518
It may be a nit to pick, but there's really little difference between Cosmos saying, "Take your Kickstart file and apply these patches", which nobody can ever possibly say is wrong, versus actually providing the Kickstart file with those patches, which is debatable, but only slightly. I don't know anything about French copyright law, but I do know that US copyright law isn't the same as French copyright law and shouldn't be assumes to be the same.

Not the same, but still seems illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DADVSI#Sharing_of_copyrighted_works_over_peer-to-peer_networks

There are certainly bigger fish to fry though. Although with TPB down the amount of piracy has dropped considerably, which might put you on the radar.
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Offline psxphill

Re: New Kickstart 3.9.1 68k on the way
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2014, 01:41:31 AM »
 

Offline psxphill

Re: New Kickstart 3.9.1 68k on the way
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2014, 10:51:35 PM »
Quote from: QuikSanz;780343
To heck with actual ROM's, plug in a custom flash adapter instead, right in the ROM socket.

A 1mb 16 bit flash rom would be interesting. Recovery from a bad flash would be a tad annoying, although you could avoid updating the initial boot & that could have some form of recovery built in.