I would/wouldn't like a production run of 060's

[psxphill]

I'm not contesting any of this. The specific part I wanted you to confirm is that "Steve Jobs personally banned" JITs.
 
 
No, man, you talk from the wrong end of your body a lot.
 
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You may run scripting engines that execute arbitrary code. Not natively, though, so probably no JIT.

It's unlikely Steve Jobs had any hand in the decision.
 
For security you can't execute any code that is generated at run time, which pretty much stops a JIT in it's tracks. I believe the only scripting language you're allowed to use is javascript and the script has to be deployed from the app store.

[psxphill]

I think the only possible future for new accelerators for Classic's is FPGA.

I think it's less likely to happen than freescale producing 060's again.
 
As FPGA's get more powerful the benefit of shoehorning one into an old Amiga as just a processor upgrade makes less and less sense. Someone could make a motherboard that fitted an old Amiga case, but even that has disadvantages.

[psxphill]

Where have you been the last months? in a cave?
 
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65653

The thread is about a 68060, not a partially emulated 68020. Come back when the Vampire 600 can beat a 80mhz 68060. I haven't got anything against that project, it's just not what we're discussing.

[psxphill]

It's already been shown running at pretty high clockspeed

"Performance: More than 6Mips"
 

Eh? I'd have thought it makes more and more sense.

If there was an FPGA that was fast enough to do 500mhz 68060, which do you think would sell more.
 
1. An A600 accelerator
2. A minimig sized board that can be a 68060/PPC Amiga/Mac, PC, a PS1/PS2, Jaguar, Archimedes, etc etc with wireless peripherals
 
I can't see why anyone would want a 500mhz ECS machine, even AGA limitations would hold it back.
 
The form factor doesn't lend itself to being used on the main TV either. Although converting an A600 to a battery operated wireless keyboard might work.

[psxphill]

What's the point of developing a new physical 060 based board if it costs $500, only about 3 people would buy one.

That is still likely cheaper than an FPGA board that can beat a 68060.
I don't see there being a market for either of them.

[psxphill]

@ above
The thrill of having the classic hardware/software perform at an amazing speed. When an emulator does it, its not a big deal.

It's an expensive thrill. A reconfigurable FPGA computer would be much better, you'd get a thrill every time someone created a new personality for it.

[psxphill]

Oh, I thought that you could have both. You could fit heaps of functions on an accelerator card as well.
 
I agree. It might be a big bottleneck when accessing the classic hardware. Sought of like the switch between 16-bit and 32-bit RAM.

Once you've added sound and graphics output to your accelerator card, you're unlikely going to want to switch your cables between both. So you'll add ECS/AGA to the FPGA and throw in 8mb of chip ram. Making the A600 a rather inconvenient keyboard.
 
It sounds like a lot of work to go to for people who want to upgrade an A600, so you'll want to build a standalone card as well. This is the one that everyone will buy anyway, making you wonder why you bothered with trying to cram it into an A600 case in the first place.
 
Sure there is room for a cheap one today, but anything more complex is kinda pointless.

[psxphill]

I'd love a 500MHz 060 in my A3000/PIV, I never use any ECS screenmodes.

It's still being crippled by the Zorro bus. An FPGA that could do a 500mhz 68060 could also emulate a PIV with much higher memory bandwidth. I don't have an A3000 but according to the internet, buster 11 hits 10mb/s with a PIV. DDR2 is orders of magnitude faster than that.
 
Throw in a floppy port that can use standard PC high density floppy drives, Ethernet, 96khz 32bit sound, sata, usb and I'm not sure there is much out of the A3000 that you'd still want to be using.

[psxphill]

Something akin to the Chameleon 64 would be great. Works as an add-on to real hardware but can also be used standalone.

I understand the concept, it just makes less sense to do it when you've got eight different Amiga models instead of one model of C64.
 
It will be cheaper, easier, quicker etc to just produce something standalone. By the time it happens the number of people who say they want one that fits in a real Amiga will decline & I believe that if a cheaper standalone card was offered first then that will clear out most of the rest of the potential customers.

[psxphill]

Yeah and then you'd need to re-write major chunks of the OS to support the new hardware, plus you'd want some of the things that modern OS's have, so that there'll be very little of OS 3 you'd still be using....wait a minute..wait a minute...I think we've gone down this path already....

You'd just need drivers, not rewrite chunks of the OS. Ideally it would also be able to run in legacy mode where SATA appears like gayle ide or you could mount a hard drive image from a file on a USB stick and have it appear as a IDE/SCSI hard drive/cdrom etc.
 
The purpose of using SATA is more about getting cheap hardware than utilising all it's functionality, although if there was the option for that by replacing the scsi.device driver in kickstart then that would be great too. Even if it was just making it emulate IDE fix express.
 
I'm also more interested in a USB gamepad appearing like a 9 pin D joystick than being able to run a USB stack on the Amiga. Although if you could make the USB controller compatible with one of the existing Amiga solutions then that would be a bonus.
 
I'm not sure I'd bother with PS2, a USB to Amiga keyboard convertor would be better. http://ezhid.sourceforge.net/amikbd.html http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64931
 
The simplicity of PS2 draws you in, but it's actually just hassle if you're also going to support a USB keyboard. People will expect to be able to use a PS2 or Amiga keyboard, which are different and you'd need to configure it (without using a keyboard). Only supporting USB is much easier as you just detect a keyboard and use it.

[psxphill]

or even something really weird like a PPC!?

Nobody has created a Phase5 PPC emulator because they can't be bothered, not because it's particularly hard.
I though about doing it, but I have too much other stuff going on. It doesn't help that I've never owned one so I have no software for it or even an idea of what I'd use the emulation for.

[psxphill]

For running the B/CSPPC version of OS4 on hardware that isn't crap.
 
That's my reason for lusting after such a feature in UAE anyway.

Are there any killer apps on OS4?

[psxphill]

Absolutely none whatsoever but I still lust after such an emulator.

I get it, there is always something shinier though.