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Offline psxphill

Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« on: July 09, 2010, 06:16:18 PM »
Quote from: mpiva;569639
I disagree. Most "simple" Amiga program work straight from where you unarchive them. I've found very few "simple" Windows programs that don't require you to "install" them. That's one of the things I LOVE about the Amiga. If I want to try out a program, I can usually unarchive it RAM: and run it. If I don't like it, the next time I boot my computer it won't be there, none of it, no left over junk.
 
 True. I've have install scripts fail on me on the Amiga. But if a Windows install fails on you, you're pretty much screwed. If an Amiga install fails, it's a LOT easier to figure out how to install it manually. (Especially with tools like SnoopDOS that let you see where programs are trying to find files)

RAM: is good, I use(d) it for the exact same thing.
 
Windows gets more crappy apps than the Amiga, but thats more down to popularity.
 
Windows isn't that hard to tidy up, it's just something new to learn.
 

Offline psxphill

Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 09:02:19 PM »
Quote from: AmigaHeretic;569824
Files are easy enough to clean up(even if spread all over). The windows registry on the other hand is just awful. Wish they would spend their billions finding a better option after all these years.

The registry is just like a file system. Registry keys are no different to files.
 
If symantec wrote Amiga virus checkers, they would find a way to screw over your installation.
 

Offline psxphill

Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2010, 10:48:04 PM »
Quote from: AmigaHeretic;569846
I what way do you mean? The reg files are just one big .txt file basically. That is why it's slower for the OS to search through the bigger it gets.
 
Programs like "regedit" load the text file and arrange it so it looks like it's arranged more like your typical directory structure, but it's got no real directory structure of course.

You've got completely the wrong idea about how it works. You need to go and read up more before you can make informed arguments.
 

Offline psxphill

Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2010, 12:01:08 PM »
Quote from: AmigaHeretic;569951
I seems like you are telling me the more items you have to search the same speed it goes.
 
If you really have that solution please post it here.

Solution to what? That the more data you have the longer it takes to search it? Same goes for ENV: etc. If you could solve that problem then oracle and sybase would not have a business.
 
Windows is more complex than AmigaOS because it allows you to do more. If you're happy with AmigaOS for everything then use that. I stopped around ten years ago because it was the right time for me to move over to Windows XP. Windows 95 was similarish in terms of stability and ease of use to AmigaOS, but it didn't warrant me to spend out that much money.
 
I don't want to diss AmigaOS but it has more flaws than recent versions of Windows, even if some of the concepts are nice & haven't made it onto any other operating system.
 
FWIW I was using my a500 last night, but retro games and demos are like classic cars. Nice to own and run at the weekend, but not an every day thing.
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Offline psxphill

Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2010, 10:08:26 AM »
Quote from: stefcep2;570127
And if the malware to take advantage of is so uncommon and unlikely, what then?

What you're saying is that AmigaOS is better because it is really unpopular. Thats a time limited selling point.
 
Unless what you want to do is convince the world that AmigaOS is so much better, but then tell everyone they can't use it because then you'd all be easy targets for malware.
 

Offline psxphill

Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2010, 04:21:36 PM »
Quote from: stefcep2;570134
Its an argument that recognises things as they are:its a hobbyist OS for which there is negligible malware risk.

So the only way for Microsoft to make Windows secure is for everyone to stop using it? Sounds a bit like security through obscurity, which is a very bad thing to rely on.
 
You're also limiting the number of applications you'll ever be able to run, because if AmigaOS ever gets popular enough to sustain apps you'll have to switch to another unpopular OS.
 
It sounds like you'd be happiest if you were the only one that ran AmigaOS. In which case, why would you think it was a good idea to convince us that it's viable?
 

Offline psxphill

Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2010, 05:48:52 PM »
Quote from: AmigaHeretic;570310
That crap that is left behind on that test system is their forever now. It's seems like there would be a better way.

It's unlikely to make a bit of difference, but if you really care about making sure that software you install and uninstall is really gone then you could use a virtual machine or a sandbox (I've heard good things about this: http://www.sandboxie.com/).
 

Offline psxphill

Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2010, 02:55:52 PM »
Quote from: halvliter'n;570509
edit: Forgot to say that i have a Directorys dated 1993 of tools on the disk that works well too. It is a kind of tempdir from my A500, but many of the programs work directly from the drawers.
 
So it's possible, and I do not think this is possible with Windows.

Alot of windows software can work by copying folders around. I have software running on windows 7 that I haven't installed since I ran MSDOS (circa 1994).
 
Microsoft even promote it, it's called xcopy deployment.
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302347.aspx
 
For the apps that don't work like that you can often get portable versions
 
http://portableapps.com/
 
Let's not forget that their are apps on the Amiga that require installation, including copying files all over your boot partition. So it's not an operating system, it's down to the applications. Software these days is mainstream business, the bigger the business the lower the quality ( and that holds for more than just software ).
 
I don't think we can get the whole world to rely on software that was written 17 years ago though. A friend of mine is having trouble getting his iphone to sync now he's on ios4, itunes is a particularly hopeless piece of software. I doubt he's going to have much more luck trying to sync to an A500 though.
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