Just purchased an x5000!

[Iggy]

I have been getting some lock ups from time to time playing videos. Do you think my sound card is also the issue? I thought it was Odyssey for the longest time. I might have to get that Sound Blaster too. '

Congrats on the x5000 by the way. I use mine everyday...

If you can find one, a sound card based on the VIA Envy24HT chip is a better alternative.
I picked up a Chaintech card that's sitting in my PC waiting for my eventual purchase of an X5000/40.

BTW - Does anyone have experience using a Radeon HD 6750 in an X5000?

[Iggy]

Any you had a A4000T at some point too! Do you miss it?

Who wouldn't?
You'd have to be pretty stupid to sell an A4000 to finance the purchase of an NG machine (even though we have one negative poster on our forums that did just that - totally f'ing dumb).
Lets face it, I'm a big NG supporter, but I've got my A2000 sitting here waiting for a Vampire4.

You CAN support both platforms guys, legacy AND NG. They're not interchangeable or really competition for each other. Legacy runs legacy software damned good when its upgraded a bit, and the MIPS figure of a NG system make ANY legacy system look like a stone age computer.

I have fun revisiting legacy.
But, I get more done with NG (although we really need better productivity software, Odyssey has been a work horse for me but it now needs some upgrading, and we need a decent native word processor, to heck with OO, just give me a modern Amiga word processor).

[Iggy]

@Iggy

I Cant tell what is real or what is fantasy anymore .

http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2092#p23623

Reading that made my head hurt.
I'm a relative noob, as I adopted MorphOS first, and then went back and became more familiar with the Amiga.

These ARE 2013 posts, BUT legacy Amiga OS, OS4, and MorphOS all set up their partitions in a similar manner (with a small boot partition, and a larger working partition).

So, wtf was the need for discussion about?
I've never even used OS4, but I'd be willing to bet that setting it up is virtually identical to OS3.1 OR MorphOS.

There's actually some neat flexibility there.
Before I got a bootable SATA controller, I used to boot MorphOS on a small PATA drive, and then switch to a much larger SATA drive once to booting process initialized the drivers I needed for the SATA controller to be recognized.

And again, I'm a relative noob.
I guess there's something to be said for coming of age during the days of more primitive OS' like DOS, or the early process control operating systems I used to have to learn (or CP/M for that matter).
You just f'ing figure it out. Sheesh!

[Iggy]

It also think the same. In same way X5K is way more then we can handle at the time. We need software to make this computer useful. It is like having access to super computer but no way to use it.

I personally will stick with my A1200 Classic and someday will get A1222. That way I will keep my "old way" and pick up some new to keep ball rolling...

Interesting point of view, but I'm beginning to have doubts about our current direction.
The X5000 has worse video card performance than the X1000, and it has less PCI-E lanes than the X1000.
And the X1000 itself only has about half the PCI-E lanes of a PCI-E PowerMac G5 from late 2005 (18 vs 32).
Tabor has Gen1.1 PCI-E lanes like the SAM460, and like the SAM only four are connected to the video card.
And Tabor's e500v2 cored P1022 cpu is 32 bit, unlike the X1000, the X5000, and the G5 which are all 64 bit CPUs.
Then there are the fpu issues, the G5 and the PA6T in the X1000 both had very competent standard fpus with AltiVec instructions, the P50XX CPUs in the X5000 have an adequate fpu but they are missing  the AltiVec instructions, and the P1022 in Tabor has a stripped down fpu with non-standard instructions and again no AltiVec.

So since 2005, we've moved from a quad core 2.5 GHz 64 bit system with AltiVec in a standard FPU  on a board that supported 32 PCI-E lanes to a 1.2 GHz dual core 32 bit system with a non-standard fpu on a board with what about 5 PCI-E lanes (might be a few more, I haven't checked).
And this is the 'progress' that's going to carry us into the future.
Somewhere Jay Miner is laughing his ass off.:hammer:

[Iggy]

I see this sentiment from time to time and the blindsightedness of it baffles me.
Its all down to usage. You dont need to buy an obscure, expensive, underpowered computer to have fun with them. Other than running one particular offshoot of amigaos and emptying your bank account there's *nothing* that cant be done on any other system.
What the x5000 does is forces people to explore a few different fun facets of computing that they might otherwise ignore, much like a raspberry pi.
Also, in regards to how "quick" it is, well, yes, any system running an amiga-oid system will appear quick. Real software however will show its no quicker than 10-15 year old ppc macs. People claim theres no software to take advantage of the power anyway,..... nonsense, theres plenty of software already that doesnt perform well enough for my tastes. Emulation, compiling, video encoding, software gl via wazp3d, even webbrowsing at times. Video encoding/decoding and so on and so forth. All genuinely underwhelming for this day and age.

Now that said and done, the simple fact is its the best vehicle for OS4, so the above is all moot to a point.
The inspiration for the post was reading the same old head in the sand justifications/excuses/inaccuracies people spew when it comes to OS4/x5000.
If its of interest buy it, even enjoy it, but dont make up justifications and/or subscribe to delusions just because it doesnt compare to mainstream hardware.

NO, its NOT the best platform for running OS4, in fact the X1000 outperforms the X5000 in several areas.
Its the best you're allowed to buy.
And 10-12 year old Macs, like the late 2005 G5? If OS4 was ported to that it would run rings around either the X1000 or the X5000. Faster processors, with the AltiVec instructions the X5000 lacks, better memory band width, and a boat load more PCI-E lanes.
The X5000 can run one video card in an X4 PCI-E Gen 2 slot, the X1000 can run one video card in an X16 Gen 1 PCI-E slot or two video cards in dual X8 PCI-e slots.
The G5 has one PCI-E X16 slot , one PCI-E X8 slot, and two PCI-E X4 slots.
It would run dual video cards BETTER than the X1000, and if you were weird enough to do it, you could run FOUR video cards in that.
Or use the two X4 slots for things like SATA3 controllers or USB3.0 cards.

So it not that its "its no quicker than 10-15 year old ppc macs" its slower (2.0 to 2.2 GHz without AltiVec vs. 2.5 GHz with Altivec), and the Mac has better expansion capability.

Progress....right? And it only to 12 years, but were getting better, after all Tabor will move us from 64 bit cpus with a standard fpu (albeit without AltiVec) to a 32 bit cpu with a non-standard fpu that operates at less than half the speed of the G5, and only slightly more than half the speed of the X5000.

And people think this will be adequate. Personally, a new release with performance that might not even match an Eyetech AmigaOnes is not progress to me.

And the asking price will be about the same as the Pegasos 2 commanded.
That price is low, but it reminds me of a joke I once heard about Kmart "Hey, you know, if they really wanted to screw you, they would have sold you TWO pairs of those lime green polyester pants for the same price".

[Iggy]

The higher the clock speed the faster you software will run.  This may change over time as Warp3D Nova grows and newer software starts to take advantage of the greater number of texture and shader units available on these cards.  Older software will still be dependent on higher core clocks.

At the moment the R9 270X cards are the fastest since they have higher core clocks than the otherwise more powerful R9 280/X cards.

For the Tabor I'd recommend getting the fastest compatible R7 250 card you can get since some of them have higher clock speeds than the R9 280 cards.  They also use a lot less power, are smaller and generate less heat and noise making them better suited to smaller ITX style cases that most Tabor boards will find themselves housed in.

Yeah, I'd like to see something from the later GCN generations supported.
Something like an R7 260X or even an RX 560.
I don't see the point of the higher power draw gpus like the R9 280 myself.

[Iggy]

Maybe a week.

Very cool.
At least it won't weigh a ton like the G5s do.
I have only received one one those that didn't wind up with shipping damage to those big looped aluminum handles.

AND you lower your carbon footprint (save a squirrel...or a monkey or something).

[Iggy]

It’s here!

Change your signature!

[Iggy]

In the past people were waiting for... back plates. Now, it is time for something NEW. Lets wait for front covers!

The original cases used aren't available anymore.
This is a related case from the same manufacturer.
I think it looks great.

And boing ball graphics aren't nearly as important to me as getting a complete package with stuff like a backing plate.

Remember guys, these are being built in limited quantities.

[Iggy]

I'm very happy with it. Still getting my feet wet. There's only one problem I've had...I just couldn't get past the Fractal Designs case. Every time I looked at it, it screamed PEEEEE CEEEEE. I had to swap it out. The Zalman NEO Z9 looks, to me, what this computer should be in. I need to find a large Boing Ball (x1000 style) to put on the door and find a white keyboard and mouse.

Funny, I want to mount one in a silver case I already own, and Commodore never made silver Amigas. Maybe MorphOS and the Macintoshes I've used have corrupted me :lol: ( or maybe I just really like the case).
And I'm not that interested in boing balls. The X1000 was the only system with one on it.
Maybe a butterfly decal to distinguish my OS of choice. :laughing: