A1222 For real??

[Iggy]

I'd rather an OS4 port for the PS3 than a Mac Mini.

Not enough memory.

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However it is really questionable if Mac Mini CPU can be faster than A1222 right now since it has much slower memory, system bus, disc subsystem and in the end bus to graphic card. IMHO it cant right now.

A 1.5 GHz G4 versus the cpu in the A1222?  Tough call, but it probably goes to the G4 (as long as SMP is not a factor).

And in a similar argument, the X5000 can't outperform a PowerMac G5, even though the G5 has slower memory, expansion slots, and hard drives.

Also, both Apple options would cost a small fraction of the Aeon hardware.

The primary advantage of the Aeon boards is that they can be had new.

[Iggy]

@Iggy

Still enough for The Last of Us and Split Second. Arcade racers are a dying breed and Split Second is awesome and full of fun explosions. Why regular racing games are churned out year on year while games like Outrun 2, Split Second and Twisted Metal get left on the shelf I'll never understand. Forza, Project Cars and GT just bore me and F1 games are too stressful. Nothing has beaten The Last of Us for multiplayer or the story on the single player.

Until Spiderman, TLOU 2, Days Gone and Sonic Mania are out there are no good reasons to get a PS4 (Pro). But even then where's the arcade racer?

In regards to the A1222 (rubbish name by the way) it will definitely be better than an old Mac Mini.

Interesting conclusion about the PS3, as to the A1222, we will just have to wait to see the benchmarks. The primary advantage being discreet graphics.
And you're right, the name sucks.

[Iggy]

I think the issue is overblown. FPU's aren't useful for most regular computing, and even then, emulating instructions shouldn't be a big deal if done right.

I guess we'll find out once the NDA's are lifted, since no one is allowed to talk about AmigaOS on the A1222 at the moment. I don't know why they have NDA's for such a niche platform...I guess it makes the 4 people that are beta testing it feel important, when they can keep secrets from the 7 people that are planning on buying it :lol:

Unless a solution is implemented in the OS, software packages using floating point instructions will either have to be recompiled or they will fail to work.
Emulating the instruction with code based on the alternate fpu is not that big a deal, but trapping and translation IS.
At least initially, I don't anticipate that this will be a particularly efficient process, so we are likely to see specific binaries being compiled for the A1222.

And this is not THAT big a deal, but it IS a PITA.

[Iggy]

This was more what I was wondering about.  If software still runs but it's just theoretically slower than it otherwise would be then that's ok-assuming it's not horribly slow.  But if everything needed recompiling then that's a big problem and I might not be interested.  I wasn't looking for benchmarks necessarily.

No one knows what the impact of the work around will be, so once OS4 is released for the A1222, THEN we will finally have a answer to this well worn topic.

[Iggy]

So will a Tabor outperform a 1.67GHz PowerBook G4 that costs a quarter of the price?

Don't talk sense to them, Nik.
After all, they're busy making foolish comments about e500mc cored products while ignoring the fact that there are cheaper dual and quad e5500 core cpus that could be used.

Again, Aeon has a LOT of processors that they've already purchased that they HAVE to put on something.

Someone has to pay for the decision to invest in the development of Tabor and the purchase of those processors. Might as well be OS4 users (because the Linux users appear to want to build their own 64 bit PPC laptop). :hammer:

[Iggy]

I just think it's great when you get all judgy!

BTW, I own a G4 1.42 DP (FW800) and a G4 1.25 (MDD2003) and a G4 1.67 1.5 mac mini. (all used)
but I bought a new powerbook g4 1.67 laptop...yep it's dead jim!

Maybe you don't know it all.

and yes, I tried morphos, but iggy/Jim talked me out of using it over at morphzone...

I did? I don't remember that. :laughing:

I sourced two of the hi-res 128mb vram models and sent them to friends in Europe (one to Wiktor Glowacki).

I like the PowerBook, its a solid performer. I'd even recommend the 1.42 GHz iBook (even if it only has 32mb of vram).
Not to mention that the last PowerBook I saw posted for sale was going for 80 euros.

And faster memory hasn't given the X5000 and edge over the PowerMac G5 (which as far as I know has better memory throughput), so there is no proof that the memory used in Tabor will be a significant improvement.
You oversold the X5000 as being a G5 killer, and now you're doing the same with a G3 level processor based board.

Why not just accept Aeon hardware for what it is, and for that fact that it's new?
The boards do offer some useful features, like PCIe expansion.

I agree with SACC-Guy. Waiting on bated breath for the Tabor.

Is that the fishy odor I smell?

[Iggy]

Blake, while I appreciate your input, it sounds like you are ready to just run Amiga Forever on a PC.
PPCs were chosen at the time because they, like the 68000 series, were big endian.
And MorphOS predates Amiga OS4, and at one time stood a chance of becoming the successor to Amiga OS 3.X.
AROS, on the other hand, is a successful re-implementation of the Amiga OS API as an open source OS.
Personally, I could care less where the 'official' licensable trademarked Amiga IP goes.

As fpga based systems get stronger, I may not even have to rely on legacy Amiga OS 3.X implementations.
And whatever happens with OS4, continuing with PPC, moving to X64, etc., the fact that it carries the branding 'Amiga' is not enough to earn any specific loyalty from me.

Hyperion will have to do that by producing a competitive product.