[Vampire] OS3.x VS AROS

[Iggy]

As Hyperion is the only entity entitled to develop OS' based on 3.1 source code, an enhanced version of 3.1 from Cloanto would still have to carry an OS3.1 designation.
OS4 for the 68K does not seem that unrealistic if the processor is powerful enough.

AROS68K still is not quite 'done' yet (it has more than a few issues).

And frankly, I don't mind paying for another person's work, so NO open source is NOT a necessity.

[Iggy]

As I understand it Cloanto owns the whole 3.1 IP and can do whatever they want with it.
Hyperion are merely a licencee of the code and the AmigaOS trademark.

"As I understand it.." hmm...the only documentation I am aware of is the licensing agreement Hyperion got from Amiga Inc, which as I said before clearly states that Hyperion is the only entity allowed to develop future operating systems from 3.1 source code.

Then again, I have never bought into Bill's claim that he owned those rights and as Cloanto was also a licensee, their claims are equally questionable.

Although it would appear to have been some recent activity between Bill and Cloanto (that none of us are party to) that formally or informally solidifies Cloanto's claims.

And why not, Bill is specifically forbidden from releasing Amiga like OS' (ain't that hilarious as he 'owns' the right to the Amiga trademark).

So, lets have a quick review.
We have Cloanto (a former licensee), Amiga Inc (that at best bought trademarks and little else - and then may not have properly transferred those rights between the corporations Bill and his associates were operating under), and finally Hyperion (run by a lawyer who rather cleverly tricked Bill out of the rights to OS4).

Do you people trust ANY of these guys?
I don't, but I do trust Mark Olsen, Frank Mariak, and the rest of the MorphOS team.
And I trust that the AROS developers have no malign intention (as there is no profit motive for them to do anything dirty).

And I am also quite fond of Trevor Dickinson (@ Aeon) and Paul Gentle (@ Varisys).
They do their best and they are working to help a lot of ungrateful people who don't seem to realize that there is not much money in this stuff anymore (too small a market).

Paul seems to be the only one I have mentioned in this whole diatribe who has actually made some money.
AS HE DAMNED WELL SHOULD HAVE.

After all, he isn't from our community and the people in the markets he usually services don't expect work to be done for them FREE.

So, again, AROS guys.
It makes more sense than anything other than a port of OS4 to 68K.

And I'm not paying Cloanto for an OS I have owned for two decades.
No..freaking..way.

[Iggy]

Olaf, no to which part?

Personally I'm just not ready to queue up and get bonked over the head again by what is left of the Amiga community.
So no to Cloanto, AInc., Hyperion.

Why not an open solution?

[Iggy]

no to the idea to finance a closed OS as foundation for the future, besides would Hyperion never agree to such a idea

I do not know what Cloanto would do or think but you would get in trouble when preinstalling without approval of Hyperion. I see only a future in a open platform not dominated by one entity, and as long people use the OS and not directly hack the hardware or compile with apollo specific commands they are on the save side. Using a closed OS as base is a risky bet and if Thomas Richter mentions Windows here again, Windows exists for decades and is steady in development, something you cannot say about Amiga. The API changes there too, that to "closed is stable", of course mostly you can still use old software. If the Vampire project would change to a closed software like 4.X as main platform I would be out personal, perhaps even out of the community at all.

OK, that is consistent with what you have stated before.
Paying for the development of a closed source product (outside of license or registration fees) seems a little weird to me as well.