X5000 pre-orders

[Iggy]

And the first Amiga related website (as far as I know) to reference this:

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1082048695138848&id=447768335233557&set=a.461608890516168.110788.447768335233557&source=48&refid=13

Would appear to be MorphZone oddly enough.
Not bad pricing either.

[Iggy]

So, are we going to get an affordable machine after this one?

The X5000 is definitely a step in that direction.
And I believe we are going to receive a reduced cost board, but I can not confirm that and will not post rumors.


I look forward to trying the lower cost X5000, under MorphOS and possibly OS4.1.
I also hope we will have dual OS support for a further cost reduced board.
And whatever X64 board the MorphOS team eventually moves to should also be relatively low cost.

[Iggy]

Tyan ATX with 4-core Power8 (passive heatsink)
+4GB DDR3 1600MHz +500GB 3.5" HDD - $2850
http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/...

Development board.
Not bad for Power8 though.

BTW - I do believe a sub 1000 euro board is possible, but I would not be as nice as the X5000.

I'm not sure commodity hardware will be as appealing to me as this custom hardware.
Weird, but true.

[Iggy]

Maybe the next product after the Sam460 is a collaboration between the two companies.

THAT is not as far out as some might think.

Lets see, there are cheaper e5500 cored cpus than those used in the X5000.
A-eon doesn't cater to the lower end of the market.
But A-eon and Varisys now have built an e5500 based machine.

Ah, speculation...fun, but its still pure fantasy.

[Iggy]

Cue the 180 degree turn around when the OS4 faithful realise the machines in question are second hand laptops from Apple and page after page of justifications of why second hand hardware is now wonderful despite it being terrible when MorphOS was first demonstrated running on the same hardware.

 Funny, I like my "second hand" laptop (an iBook) under MorphOS.

And I'm old enough to still carry some baggage about Wintel machines.
Although I've been resigned to them.

By the way, what makes everyone think that an ISA shift will cure our problems?
Our problems aren't really hardware related.

You should all remember this.
Its lack of software.
And no, old Amiga apps don't count.

Look at today's announcement, Hyperion is retooling an over decade old title for OS4.
B-F-D.

Abbie Hoffman suggested running for office.
My suggestion, you want an answer to our problems, learn to code.

[Iggy]

Not necessarily. Once applications are in a higher language, you would only need to recompile. It is the API that matters, not the microprocessor.

And..the MorphOS x64 API will lack legacy support, so that completely shoots the "you can just re-compile it" argument.
Not that that was ever really true.

The current fiasco over MUI proves that.

OS4=Reaction, AROS=Zune, MorphOS=MUI

All issues that have to be addressed when porting.

[Iggy]

Weeeeee I am so happy there are three different OS's Hehehe by the way I loooovee aros here. You guys are aware that if AmigaOS.4.1 does not jump to x86 soon....it will lose the battle and die a horrible death. I hope X5000 is x86 or else ouch.

Yes we all love AROS too.
Especially when it lacks specific features or crashes.
Don't be so quick to welcome us to your ISA.

We just might do it better than you.

[Iggy]

Tell me what Apple hardware this is.

Obviously not Apple hardware, but didn't you get an I/O back plate with that motherboard?

[Iggy]

Chances are, that MorphOS will only support Apple hardware on x86_64

No, I can guarantee that is not the case.
The use of Apple hardware was dictated by the need for a PPC processor.

And, what will be needed for an X64 move is a system that will remain available for a few years.

[Iggy]

You know....I hope you do . If AROS is an incentive to make you guys compete and do better than ever before then it have done it's job very well By the way, if you guys do better than AROS or as you say "We might do it better than you." I will gladly buy a copy of MorphOS even if I did already buy one for my iBook G4. I will gladly spend 150 or 170 euro without hesitation and register an x86 version....as long as you promise that you will do it better than AROS and kick AROS butt...why not? What do I lose?

Competition is healthy...very healthy actually...monopoly destroy itself and everyone around....so I want AROS to be the incentive the carrot so to speak for the MorphOS team to do better and better each time

However....one cannot deny though...that AmigaOS 4.x is seriously moving very fast in behind the ball game........i have the feeling if AROS and MorphOS compete against each other and one tries to out do the other in the end....AmigaOS 4.x will be the losing game.....and we will have the two BEST AmigaOS alternative out there for the x86 and if AROS merges with MorphOS and still have a kick ass Amiga alternative OS for x86...is till does not change the fact...that AmigaOS 4.1 will die...and die badly....

I am happy to hear that.

I tend to agree with you on most of this.
OS4 graphics support recently has been fairly remarkable.
But they may have bit off more than they can chew with the specs they want for 4.2.
And placing an AROS machine next to an OS4 machine can be a little unfair (it looks good).

But my point was, in order to move forward we need to change, not try to keep emulating 3.1 or tacking things on to that base.

I love working with PPC MorphOS, but I'm beginning to look forward to the X64 transition because I'm TIRED of being told we are in competition.

Frankly, we have three OS' with a common root that are diverging.